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#261 LadyMary

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:05 AM

Right. And spells were required. Gendry doesn't come off as the spellmaking type of guy, at least not yet.

The spell was in the original making of the Valyrian steel swords. Gendry's Master said Ice was hard to reforge into two smaller swords because it "remembered" how it was put together and wanted to go back to that form. I don't think Gendry will need to know the spell, just how to forge a sword. If the sword remembers it might be able to re-form itself while Gendry's working it.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:55 PM

The spell was in the original making of the Valyrian steel swords. Gendry's Master said Ice was hard to reforge into two smaller swords because it "remembered" how it was put together and wanted to go back to that form. I don't think Gendry will need to know the spell, just how to forge a sword. If the sword remembers it might be able to re-form itself while Gendry's working it.


But didn't Mott also say he tried every spell he knew to get the red color to stay fully red? I'd say there is certainly a secret, if not an actual spell. I doubt an apprentice would know it. Likely being told the secret (or "spell") is the rite of passage from journeyman to master smith.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:27 PM

Yeah, but he is a mule headed bastard boy, I think Sansa would be a better match and I think Gendry would probaly agree with me if he got to meet Sansa.


I think the fact that Arya isn't very ladylike perfectly suits Gendry.

Someone may have already posted this link (I haven't read the whole thread) but Gendry will be back

http://www.westeros....ral_Characters/


Thanks, that's heartening! /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:02 PM

I think the fact that Arya isn't very ladylike perfectly suits Gendry.



Thanks, that's heartening! /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

but Sansa has lemoncakes and the promise of more lemoncakes.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:09 PM

A Dothraki Khal? So that she could raped repeatedly? They have no more respect for women than the Ironborn do. Tyrion's track record with women is getting worse as the series goes on btw.

Arya loves horse and is good rider, she could also learn how to use a bow. If she did meet Dothraki it would be as a guest/envoy to Dany so I doubt they would rape her. Tyrion is a longshot but we can't rule out a marriage for political reasons. And like I said being Lyanna-like doesn't bode well.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:44 PM

I think it is quite obvious that ASOIAF is written with no commitment to most of the generally accepted "rules" of writing. At least as far as "and everybody gets what they deserve" goes. So not only the literal death can befall any character, but also that of insignificance. GRRM can serve it with a purpose "Look, here is a nice-in-everyway Gendry, the one with powerful blood, strong character, good heart, but all he ever becomes is a commoner leading a life with no bigger significance and all he will ever do is easily summed up in two passing sentences in another character's POV".

Giving Gendry such fate would do in breaking the rules of how the romantic storylines are generally written too. We see him and a very well liked character, Arya, falling for each other even when there are a lot of obstacles to overcome. In any other story this would mean eternal couple, but GRRM is more fond of saying "Really? That's not how life goes. Love and friendships go away like everything else". In one of the Arya's chapters we might find two lines about Gendry dying some accidental death and see her not even caring.


Maybe I only fear that because Gendry is my favorite. But it stands to reason.

A lot less likely suggestion, which, I admit, is a dance-with-mad-dragons /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> , is that he is the one not only to forge, but to wield the Lightbringer. The reasoning is very weak here, but I guess whoever does it, must deserve to do it, noone will just give that sword to you. And Gendry is a good candidate to reforge Ice.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:03 AM

Arya loves horse and is good rider, she could also learn how to use a bow. If she did meet Dothraki it would be as a guest/envoy to Dany so I doubt they would rape her. Tyrion is a longshot but we can't rule out a marriage for political reasons. And like I said being Lyanna-like doesn't bode well.

I don't remember reading about Dothraki female warriors. Dany was for the most part completely subordinate to Drogo while married to him. & they make widows of khals live in Vaes Dothrak with other women.

Dany had to endure rough sex with Drogo and he did not bother to please her sexually.

"Yet every night, sometime before the dawn, Drogo would come to her tent and wake her in the dark, to ride her as relentlessly as he rode his stallion. He always took her from behind, Dothraki fashion...Dany would lie beside him, her body bruised and sore, hurting too much for sleep."


"he thrust himself inside her. Three quick strokes and it was done."


She was not the only one:

"Dothraki girls taken as slaves when Drogo destroyed their father's khalasar..."

"Qotho...left bruises on Doreah's soft white skin whenever he touched her, and sometimes made Irri sob in the night."


I don't see Arya finding this desireable.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 02:36 PM

I think Gendry will be back, it's possible that he reforges Ice, or that he becomes a good warrior and decides to take part in one of the wars that are taking place, but I'm not sure about him and Arya.
They were close because they had been travelling together and they trusted each other, but I don't think they had a crush on each other or something like that (besides, a 16 year boy old who wants to have a relationship with a 10 year old girl is creepy, maybe the age gap is not big, but one is almost an adult and the other is just a child).

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 04:46 PM

Hi I amnew to the board (I have been avoiding the internet like the plague while reading all the books to avoid spoilers). I just wanted to add my voice to the Gendry theories because Gendry has been a character of great interest to me since he was intorduced and I've been holding on to hope that he will make a return.

The theory I have had since the beginning is that Gendry is Robert and Cersei's son that she spoke about when Bran was recovering. She had claimed that he died as an infant. My theory is that Verys and co took Gendry and claimed he died because, whereas Joff and the others would have no true claim to the throne, Gendry would, so he posed a threat to Viserys (or Dany). That being said, why they would have let him live instead of just killing him would have to be explained if this theory were to be true. But that may tie in with why Varys helped him to escape with Arya, but didn't bother with any other of Robert's bastards. Anyway, those are my thoughts.

ps: If this theory were true and Gendry ends up with Arya in the future, it could unite the Starks, baratheons, and Lannisters perhaps.

Edited by Danhra22, 19 January 2012 - 04:47 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2012 - 05:10 PM

Hi I amnew to the board (I have been avoiding the internet like the plague while reading all the books to avoid spoilers). I just wanted to add my voice to the Gendry theories because Gendry has been a character of great interest to me since he was intorduced and I've been holding on to hope that he will make a return.

The theory I have had since the beginning is that Gendry is Robert and Cersei's son that she spoke about when Bran was recovering. She had claimed that he died as an infant. My theory is that Verys and co took Gendry and claimed he died because, whereas Joff and the others would have no true claim to the throne, Gendry would, so he posed a threat to Viserys (or Dany). That being said, why they would have let him live instead of just killing him would have to be explained if this theory were to be true. But that may tie in with why Varys helped him to escape with Arya, but didn't bother with any other of Robert's bastards. Anyway, those are my thoughts.

ps: If this theory were true and Gendry ends up with Arya in the future, it could unite the Starks, baratheons, and Lannisters perhaps.


Well, you never know with GRRM, but in the books Cersei says that Robert got her pregnant once (I think) and she got an abortion, maybe that will change in the TV show, but in the books Cersei and Robert didn't have a child together.

IMO Varys tried to protect Gendry because he and his siblings can be used as proof of Cersei's infidelity (his mother was blonde like Cersei, but he has the Baratheon look), if Gendry was indeed Cersei's and Robert son it wouldn't matter to the other kings (only to Stannis and maybe Renly), but the Targaryens think Robert is an usurper, they won't stop trying to get the throne back because his son has inherited the title (IIRC Dany doesn't know of Cersei's incest, but she still thinks the throne is hers by right)
Besides, if Gendry was Cersei's son and Varys thought he was a threat to Visery's or Dany's claim, he would have killed him.

Then again, in this books anything is possible

Edited by Dena, 19 January 2012 - 06:11 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2012 - 06:11 PM

What Cersi told Ned was that Robert got her with child once, and Jaime

That definitely means an abortion.


I remember this, and I remember wondering how Cersei would know whether she was pregnant by Robert or by Jaime. I guess it's all in the timing.

Robert and Cersei have no children together. Cersei has 3, as prophesied, none of them Robert's. And Robert has 16, as prophesied, none of them Cersei's. The whole point of Gendry being in the story and looking like Robert, was to show that the son of a yellow-haired mother would have black hair if he were Robert Baratheon's child, and to contrast that with Joffrey, whose hair was golden.

The whole court would know if Cersei had given birth before she had Joffrey. And Cersei, in her POV's, would think about that first child from time to time, if only as one more grievance she has against Robert.

Edited by Ladywhiskers, 19 January 2012 - 06:16 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2012 - 06:31 PM

Well, you never know with GRRM, but in the books Cersei says that Robert got her pregnant once (I think) and she got an abortion, maybe that will change in the TV show, but in the books Cersei and Robert didn't have a child together.

IMO Varys tried to protect Gendry because he and his siblings can be used as proof of Cersei's infidelity (his mother was blonde like Cersei, but he has the Baratheon look), if Gendry was indeed Cersei's and Robert son it wouldn't matter to the other kings (only to Stannis and maybe Renly), but the Targaryens think Robert is an usurper, they won't stop trying to get the throne back because his son has inherited the title (IIRC Dany doesn't know of Cersei's incest, but she still thinks the throne is hers by right)
Besides, if Gendry was Cersei's son and Varys thought he was a threat to Visery's or Dany's claim, he would have killed him.

Then again, in this books anything is possible


I read the first book during the first season of the show, so I probably did not realize that Cersei's discussion with Catlyn didn't occur in the book. I think it may just be wishful thinking on my part that Gendry has a larger role to play than possible future love interest for a Stark girl lol. Your point about Varys saving him in order to prove the illegitimacy of Cersei's children makes a lot of sense though. I guess my theory has changed /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> I will just keep my fingers crossed that he plays a larger role in books to come!

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

When reading AFFC I found his smithing activities and the fact that he doused his sword in rainwater (obviously something a smith would do but still potentially meaningful) of possible future relevance. Note also that Gendry is now a "knight" of the BWB and believes in R'hllor. If someone is going to forged a wield a Lightbringer he would be a decent choice. There would be multiple advantages to having a non-POV AA/PTWP and not have a POV character fill that role if there must be an overt one. Or at least someone not too prominent and who does not inundate the book with chapters. Alternately, the idea that Arya would wield a Gendry made Lightbringer suggested on this thread is interesting too.

I think that Gendry may have some future importance in the Brotherhood without Banners and rise up to a higher status. He may not end up being all that important though he seems to be the most important of Robert's actual children. I kind of hope that he ends up with some kind of important role.

Edited by The Sunset King, 19 January 2012 - 06:46 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:41 PM

When reading AFFC I found his smithing activities and the fact that he doused his sword in rainwater (obviously something a smith would do but still potentially meaningful) of possible future relevance. Note also that Gendry is now a "knight" of the BWB and believes in R'hllor. If someone is going to forged a wield a Lightbringer he would be a decent choice. There would be multiple advantages to having a non-POV AA/PTWP and not have a POV character fill that role if there must be an overt one. Or at least someone not too prominent and who does not inundate the book with chapters. Alternately, the idea that Arya would wield a Gendry made Lightbringer suggested on this thread is interesting too.

I think that Gendry may have some future importance in the Brotherhood without Banners and rise up to a higher status. He may not end up being all that important though he seems to be the most important of Robert's actual children. I kind of hope that he ends up with some kind of important role.

The impression I got from AFFC is that Gendry and his mentor Thoros are growing disaffected by the new Stoneheart led BwB. Think that Thoros was the one who payed Gendrys apprentice fee. If Gendry gets involved in what is going on in the Vale along with his half-sister Maya Stone he could come to Stannis's attention. Stannis would like the R'hollor bit.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:52 PM

Think that Thoros was the one who payed Gendrys apprentice fee.


It was Varys who paid his fee.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:53 PM

It was Varys who paid his fee.

You might be right, Mott didn't give Ned a great description.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:28 PM

As far as I can see, the only thing left to Gendry would be as a skillful smith who will forge Lightbringer or some other important sword.

He will never be a king. There won't have a place for another Baratheon dinasty by the end of the serie...

Edit: the true Lightbringer, I mean.

Edited by redpriest, 19 January 2012 - 09:29 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:50 PM

The impression I got from AFFC is that Gendry and his mentor Thoros are growing disaffected by the new Stoneheart led BwB. Think that Thoros was the one who payed Gendrys apprentice fee. If Gendry gets involved in what is going on in the Vale along with his half-sister Maya Stone he could come to Stannis's attention. Stannis would like the R'hollor bit.


This would be an interesting turn of events with various possibilities of what it could lead to.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:55 PM

As far as I can see, the only thing left to Gendry would be as a skillful smith who will forge Lightbringer or some other important sword.

He will never be a king. There won't have a place for another Baratheon dinasty by the end of the serie...

Edit: the true Lightbringer, I mean.


If he forges Lightbringer then he's A A.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 10:02 PM

This would be an interesting turn of events with various possibilities of what it could lead to.

Another possibility is that Gendry and Thoros could go to the wall, Robin Ryger and Ser Desomond Grell are headed that way via Maidenpool, they and thier escorts might stop at that Inn at the Crossroads. Its where Gendry was supposed to go to begin with.