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[Crown]

EzXen, on 30 November 2011 - 06:29 PM, said:

Thats how i read it.

That's how I read it aswell, and that is exactly at how it was meant by GRRM.

Edited by Crown, 27 February 2012 - 07:57 AM.

[Ser Brynden the Blackfish]

Lady Genna only meant Tyrion is his father's son in that Tyrion takes after Tywin more than Jamie does behavior/character wise

[Fylimar]

I have to mention, that I love Lady Genna - why do we have to wait 4 books for this wonderful character to appear. Would have loved to see her telling Tywin that Tyrion is much more like him than Jaime - I guess she must be one of the few people in Westeros, who could do that and live to tell the tale.
Although she is right: Tyrion is more like his father than any of the other children. Cersei is too obvious and clumsy and not cunning at all (I cringe in every of her chapters, because she did something stupid - something, that is likely to bring her down - in every chapter. Jaime has some sense, but he is still afraid to really act - for most of his life, he seems to have done what his sister wants not what he wanted. I'm glad that changed a bit during the third book, I'm not finished with AFFC yet, so I don't know, how the siege of Riverrun ended.
I liked the scene between Tywin and Tyrion in the first book, where Tywin seems to recognise Tyrions abilities for the first time - sadly, that didn't last long.
TO a point, I even can understand, why Tywin didn't like his younger son: he lost his beloved wife to the child and I guess he fears mockery from others - something, he seems to be very afraid of.

[The Roaring Bear]

The Shadow Fox, on 03 February 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Really? You would describe Cersei as clever and cunning? I'd say naiive and powerhungry. She inherited Tywin's take-what-is-mine attitude, his demand for respect, and his hunger for power. Tyrion got the wits, cunning, charisma, and ability to scheme. Jaime got the ego and the ability as a warrior.

I agree with some of this.  I think Cersei got a little of Tywin's persona;lity, but that she is too paranoid and full of herself to actually show any real cunning of her own.

I think people underestimate Jaime though.  Since he has lost his hand his ability to reason and reason things out well is coming more to the forefront, it just hasn't been trained as well as it has with Tyrion, since Tyrion has always had to rely on it and Jaime hadn't needed to.

[TheDrawback]

I agree that it is just a view on comparing all three children with their father and if you do that according to how cunning they all are Tyrion resembles Tywin the most and I also think thats becouse he had to rely on that all his life so he had the chance to polish his skills in stead of Jaime who was training at swordfighting, jousting etc. more than on reasoning outcomes according to different decisions you can make. But now that he has lost his sword hand he has to use his cunning more than brute force so I think he is learning this through the books.

[TheLightningLord]

TeamDanyArya, on 11 December 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

To echo the other sentiments, taking this too literally although given the series and other plot twists and speculation about other characters' partenage, it's easy to see where someone might question Jaime's father. Especially with Tywin making frequent comments about not really being sure if Tyrion is his son although clearly he is. Jaime isn't the clever, cunning one in the family. Cersei and Tyrion are, in a way, they are more like twins then Jaime and Cersei are.

Cersei, clever and cunning? Lol yea in her own mind. She is an idiot...

[Red Queen]

I also find it strange that Lady Genna would emphasize Tyrion's name. If each family has certain names or parts of names that get passed on, as Tywin's heir, wouldn't Jaime have Ty in his name? Yet he doesn't. I am beginning to doubt that Jaime and Cersei are Tywin's children. What if Tyrion was the only true child of Lord Tywin?

[Crowbait]

It had me thinking too for a minute!   I'm glad I'm not alone  ;o)

[Volantis]

OneEyedCat, on 21 November 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

I'm intrigued about a comment made by Jaime's aunt when discussing Tywin:

Jaime kissed her cheek. "He left a son". "Aye, he did. That is what I fear the most, in truth." That was a queer remark. "Why should you fear?" "Jaime," she said, tugging on his ear, "sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna's breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there's some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak...but Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you. I said so once to your father's face and he would not speak to me for half a year. Men are such thundering great fools. Even the sort who come along once in a thousand years."

I may be taking this too literally but I smell a plot twist.

What? You mean Kevan, Tygett and Gerion gangraped Joanna?

[Volantis]

Here it is. I've been searching for this for quite some time

http://urlivinginafa...s-how-it-starts

[Billywitchdr]

Ahem... still reading forum... my bad

Edited by Billywitchdr, 12 October 2012 - 08:32 AM.

[samih]

Of course Jaime is Tywin's son. But anyway, if he's not that means Cercei is also not his daughter since It's obvious that they're twins (they really look alike). But I'm sure Genna didn't mean it like that.

Edited by samih, 13 October 2012 - 06:15 AM.