Black Crow Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Bran has a big part to play in the fight against the Others and the future of the North, as a warg. Mel sees him as the enemy because she's a narrow minded zealot. If your not for the Lord of Light then your against him in her eyes. Can't agree with this; even if the Children should turn out not to be the others, they are the antithesis of the weirwood-burning followers of R'hllor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark@heart Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I don't think the COTF are related to the Others. COTF are children of the earth/ hippies and the Others are the opposite of all good, green, living, warm blooded things.The Children worship the Old Gods as do the First Men and their decendants, no matter which side of the Wall they grow up on . The Old Gods help protect them from the Others. Yin & Yang but never strictly black & white.I'm not saying they'd be on the same side per se, just that we will see more groups "good and bad" show up for the Battle for the Wall. Mel thinks she's on the "right" side but I don't think she is. I think she will end up doing more harm than good. What might happen if she burns Caster's Son in place of a Kings'.? That could be way,way bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blind Eye Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 If Doran Martell can scratch and bump his way through life in a wooden wheel chair, Bran can probably do the same. Like i said before Bran is only in that cave because Blood Raven can't leave it. BR even says that to him the first time they meet face to face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rodrik Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Bran wil not walk, but will fly. He will have his dragon and Tyrion will help him to build a saddle. Bran will not warg into a dragon, because it will make the dragon mad. He will tame it and ride it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikehendo Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Can't agree with this; even if the Children should turn out not to be the others, they are the antithesis of the weirwood-burning followers of R'hllor. That is much like saying the Children were the antithesis of the First Men.I think it is more likely that the Children are just as much pawns in this as the humans are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Godric Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 If Doran Martell can scratch and bump his way through life in a wooden wheel chair, Bran can probably do the same. Like i said before Bran is only in that cave because Blood Raven can't leave it. BR even says that to him the first time they meet face to face.But can Bran enter into Weirwoods without being in the "throne" that he is in the caves? I would like to think that after he learned his skill a bit he could still look through the eyes of weirwoods while anywhere, but I'm not sure if it is possible. And if it isn't possible, then what would be the point of his entire storyline up until now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 misreading of post #46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Goldenhair Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Look at Norse mythology and the story of Loki and Balder. Ideas come from somewhere and obviously deviate but Loki becomes more evil and finally kills the light, Balder, with wood (mistletoe). Know Tolkein used Norse mythology to a certain extent too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blind Eye Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 But can Bran enter into Weirwoods without being in the "throne" that he is in the caves? I would like to think that after he learned his skill a bit he could still look through the eyes of weirwoods while anywhere, but I'm not sure if it is possible. And if it isn't possible, then what would be the point of his entire storyline up until now?Yes, the last sequence of visions Bran has at the end of his last chapter occur while he is dosing off next to the fire in his room, wondering where Meera and jojen are. Bran is just in that cave for training very much like Arya being in Braavos to train with the FM b/c thats were they are, and she is leaving Braavos at the end of Dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Arya has legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brienne the Beauty Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 The implications of the last Bran chapters were very much that he will be bound to the tree and replace Bloodraven. Horrific, right? There may still be a twist, where he leaves. But it *would* be a twist, not a given.In your average fantasy work, Bran would escape the tree, be cured of his paralysis by magic, marry Meera, and live happily ever after. But ASOIAF isn't your average fantasy novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Dayne Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 how is it people still think the CoF might be associated with the Others?they fought beside the first men against the others when the long night came, in the war for the dawn.that makes no sense, as there have been no suggestion nor hint nor evidence of this.I can see the CoF not liking the andals, but waiting like, what, 6 thousand years for retribution for them cutting weirwoods AND "controlling" or "befriending" with the others seems very unreasonable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Bran, where he is now reminds me of the video by Aerosmith, Jaded. Bran may not be in the best place in the world. Bloodraven and the CotF may not be all that good but mayhaps that is being too cautious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 how is it people still think the CoF might be associated with the Others?they fought beside the first men against the others when the long night came, in the war for the dawn.that makes no sense, as there have been no suggestion nor hint nor evidence of this.Lots of reasons and a fair few threads discussing the textual evidence and hints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Goldenhair Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 how is it people still think the CoF might be associated with the Others?they fought beside the first men against the others when the long night came, in the war for the dawn.that makes no sense, as there have been no suggestion nor hint nor evidence of this.I can see the CoF not liking the andals, but waiting like, what, 6 thousand years for retribution for them cutting weirwoods AND "controlling" or "befriending" with the others seems very unreasonable to me.There's a theory or thread out there somewhere that perhaps CoF had some renegades or that the CoF had a split and one group of CoF actually control the others. It now seems that group is in control and perhaps First Men will join them (Starks). Cold Hands is surely not a friend and it is interesting that he cannot go through the gate of the Wall fortification so doubt he was ever part of the Night's Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucolac Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 The oath of the Night's Watch doesn't extend through death. He can't use the door because he stopped being part of the Night's Watch when he died. Cold Hands was Benjen Stark. It is the reason he keeps his face concealed from Bran, and also the way he says "I am your monster" to Bran seemed to hint at a relationship going beyond his current role as guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Goldenhair Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 The oath of the Night's Watch doesn't extend through death. He can't use the door because he stopped being part of the Night's Watch when he died. Cold Hands was Benjen Stark. It is the reason he keeps his face concealed from Bran, and also the way he says "I am your monster" to Bran seemed to hint at a relationship going beyond his current role as guide.Bloodraven seems to be in control of Cold Hands otherwise I would think than if Cold Hands is Benjen he would want to reveal himself to Bran so I don't think Cold Hands has any say in the matter. Bloodraven, I believe, has a very sinister motive and Bran will play a big part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyn Tarvoke Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Coldhands saves Sam Tarley and Gilly from the wights; delivers them to Bran; escorts Bran and the Reed kids to the hidden fortress of the COTF; and along the way fights the wights. Coldhands is very clear he's Bran's monster. We're told the wights killed Coldhands long ago. All these actions are completely inconsistent with the theory Coldhands, Bloodraven, and the COTF are secretly working on some sinister plot against the humans and the forces of life. Since Coldhands knows he is a re-animated dead thing and from his comments considers himself a monster and is ashamed of those facts, I think he leaves it at that and that's why he refuses to show his face--much as Theon later doesn't want to show people how badly he's been cut. GRMM leaves it open as to if, or how much, Bloodraven and probably the COTF can influence Coldhands. Seemed to me Coldhands had tasks given to him and then he managed on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Goldenhair Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Coldhands saves Sam Tarley and Gilly from the wights; delivers them to Bran; escorts Bran and the Reed kids to the hidden fortress of the COTF; and along the way fights the wights. Coldhands is very clear he's Bran's monster. We're told the wights killed Coldhands long ago.All these actions are completely inconsistent with the theory Coldhands, Bloodraven, and the COTF are secretly working on some sinister plot against the humans and the forces of life. Since Coldhands knows he is a re-animated dead thing and from his comments considers himself a monster and is ashamed of those facts, I think he leaves it at that and that's why he refuses to show his face--much as Theon later doesn't want to show people how badly he's been cut. GRMM leaves it open as to if, or how much, Bloodraven and probably the COTF can influence Coldhands. Seemed to me Coldhands had tasks given to him and then he managed on his own.Maybe saving Sam was a way to get to Bran and bring him to the forest since they could not go through the gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Baratheon. Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Bran will rebuild the wallBrandon the builder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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