LuisDantas Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (Keep in mind that I have just read that chapter and the matter may be addressed further on the book).Is it just me, or is Qyburn finding that golden hand coin just a bit too convenient to be believable?Reach hands aren't widely used, or we would have heard some reference to them already. Why would the Tyrells pay anyone with them if they wanted to avoid suspicions?They wouldn't.Either Qyburn is lying in the hope of gaining Cersei's favor (a strong possibility), or the Tyrells want or at least don't mind being suspected by Cersei (believing, IMO correctly, that her paranoia works to their advantage). I won't put it past them to have specifically bought Qyburn to put that coin in Cersei's hand, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 For sure.Why do you leave out the idea that Varys could have been the one to leave those on purpose, if I may ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted December 27, 2011 Author Share Posted December 27, 2011 No reason. It just seemed a bit too obvious for Varys, or maybe I just like the old eunuch too much. Ultimately, no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facelessgrl Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I have been wondering about the coin and the gaoler Rugen as well. In a Jamie's chapter 8 there is a flashback to Jamie's interview of the chief undergaoler about Rugen, the gaoler of the black cells. Jamie thinks "He knew who Rugen was, even if Longwaters did not." I took that to imply that Rugen was Varys. He does often dress up in disguise. Rugen had been guarding the black cells since King Aerys appointed him and that he often disappeared, but was there when need be. That is Varys to a T, and because I don't think he makes mistakes I think the coin was left on purpose. But what is the purpose?In a later Cersi chapter, she notes that the Queen of Thones carrys they type of coins that was found. They are half the weight of a dragon and I believe it is implied that the queen of Thorns cheats people out of money. So did Varys leave the coin to try and lead Cersi to Joffrey's true murderer to clear Tyrion's name? Or is he just looking to cause trouble because he's good at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 My money is that he is trying to cause suspicion and internal conflict in King's Landing. Not hard to do, but he seems to have succeeded well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 To me it was a plant by Varys to point suspicion at the Tyrrells. Since he was Rugen anyhow it would stand to reason that he put the coin there. Under a loose brick under a chamber pot is just enough concealment to be his work. No real reason to blame the Tyrrells other than to cause confusion while he escapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsSand Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I think Varys may have left the coin to throw off his scent when the Queen would want to know how Tyrion escaped. Varys did not want to participate, but had no option. I think it was an effort to hide his envolvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I think Varys may have left the coin to throw off his scent when the Queen would want to know how Tyrion escaped. Varys did not want to participate, but had no option. I think it was an effort to hide his envolvement.Yeah, I think Varys left the coin so Cersei would turn her suspicions to the Tyrells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your_Grace Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 :eek: You guys are good. I never could have come up with those theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyJSnow Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I also wondered about that coin. It does seem like it was a plant by someone. It just seems so OBVIOUS to have been Varys. He's so much more underhanded and sneaky. Does Littlefinger stand to gain anything by planting that there? I am sure all questions will be answered eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of Coin Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Referring to real-world coin stuff.... in medieval times a LOT of older coins would circulate around. Nobody really "collected" coins, they were worth too much. So unless somebody melted them down they could circulate for centuries and far from home. The word "Bank" comes from the banken, or tables where money-changers would set up, with books that listed all the known coins and what their proper weight and fineness should be. So all I'm saying is that the Cersei's from the Castle Rock and those hand coins may not circulate that far very often. But I bet that down south they are not at all unusual. The use of the coin as a message could be taken as significant... or not. Hard to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 The coin itself isn't all that unusual, I am willing to bet.It is the finding of it that raises suspicions, at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Rickon Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I think Varys figures if he can keep cercei's attention on the tyrells then no one will look for him. He could be hiding in the walls still or in kings landing. My impression was that he and illyrio were working together to destabilize the crown. I can't figure out for what yet but that is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwvapor Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 What about Shae and Tywin, it happened near this chapter but was that a setup by Varys too? Or is Tywin just a hypocrite, no one can have whores only me type deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rickard Snow Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I like the idea of Varys Being Rugen (Credit To Facelessgrl)...The way Tyrions escape played out, it seemed to me more was involved than Jamie doing Right by his brother, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpSara Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I thought the coin was strange but never put all that together! This was a great read guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidheKnight Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I think Varys planted it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaTechPC Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Smells like a certain bald and powdery eunuch to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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