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[HyacinthGirl]

Chelly, on 24 March 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

Anyone still watching? I thought the last episode was pretty good. Looks like Castiel is back, not sure where they plan on going with this season, but I'm gonna stick around for the ride. The actress who plays new Meg is sort of fun to watch, but they should really limit her lines. She's either terrible or trying to imitate the original Meg and just ends up delivering her all her lines in the same exact tone.

Anyway, hopefully they will start getting stuff done soon. Crowley is sorely missed. I prefer him over Lucifer as a villain. Liked the touch with ghost Bobby still helping the boys out.

Yeah, I watched the last ep after skipping a ton of the Sam-breakdown episodes (just so boring: the badass, fun brother dynamic is gone from the show) because I missed Cas so much but...I didn't like it. They just LEFT him there? Didn't call his new wife or something? He absorbs all of Sam's crazy and they aren't even grateful? I couldn't handle how cold Dean was to Cas, I know he did some stupid, bad shit but they were friends, and even Sam seemed happier to see Cas than Dean.
KRIPKE, COME FIX IT.

[Neal]

HyacinthGirl, on 26 March 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

Yeah, I watched the last ep after skipping a ton of the Sam-breakdown episodes (just so boring: the badass, fun brother dynamic is gone from the show) because I missed Cas so much but...I didn't like it. They just LEFT him there? Didn't call his new wife or something? He absorbs all of Sam's crazy and they aren't even grateful? I couldn't handle how cold Dean was to Cas, I know he did some stupid, bad shit but they were friends, and even Sam seemed happier to see Cas than Dean.
KRIPKE, COME FIX IT.

I saw the episode as 'how to fix two problems in one easy (lame) go'.  It mostly annoyed me, but I'm still watching and hoping.

[Chelly]

Yeah, I can't deny how lazy they have been. Unfortunately, my loyalty to this show just won't die! I feel like I am stuck in a bad marriage.   It was pretty screwed up how they just left Cas, there, but I think that is part of the laziness of writing, too.

Anyone else's notifications not working when somebody quotes your post?

[red snow]

I'm hoping there's more to Sam's fix than it appeared. Otherwise why bother bringing lucifer back two episodes ago and cas this episode just to shelve them again. That would mean the plot is becoming too circular. Hopefully Sam is actually lucifer at the moment and that will be the payoff later. Maybe Sam is stuck in Cas' head or they are sharing the devil? That could be more interesting.
I was also disappointed that the woman Sam helped wasn't just another mindfuck of Lucifers to taunt him.
It's kind of worrying when I'm thinking of better ways to handle an episode. it's all just personal fanwank but when the show is good I usually don't need to invent storylines.
That said i thought everything except from that last scene was pretty good as it looked like it was/is going somewhere.

[RedEyedGhost]

I get the feeling that a little bit of Lucifer's soul was mixed in with Sam's, now that is in Castiel, and with Meg's coaxing it will take over to be Lucifer 2.0 as next season's Big Bad.

Chelly, on 24 March 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

The actress who plays new Meg is sort of fun to watch, but they should really limit her lines. She's either terrible or trying to imitate the original Meg and just ends up delivering her all her lines in the same exact tone.

That was the same actress that has been playing Meg for the past three years.

[Chelly]

RedEyedGhost, on 27 March 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

That was the same actress that has been playing Meg for the past three years.

I know but I never noticed how weird she was until they started giving her more to do last season. The last episode in particular , she was really stiff.

[Howdyphillip]

I just started this series yesterday. I have seen the first three episodes from season 1 so far. I am not going to read this thread until i am caught up, but wanted to comment on this show.

Here is the formula... Get two dudes in a bad ass car. Cast the hottest women on the planet for supporting roles each week, and tell really freaking cool camp fire ghost stories.

How in the hell did I miss out on this big bag of awesome for so long?

[Chelly]

Howdyphillip, on 28 March 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

I just started this series yesterday. I have seen the first three episodes from season 1 so far. I am not going to read this thread until i am caught up, but wanted to comment on this show.

Here is the formula... Get two dudes in a bad ass car. Cast the hottest women on the planet for supporting roles each week, and tell really freaking cool camp fire ghost stories.

How in the hell did I miss out on this big bag of awesome for so long?

Yes. The show started off really great. I think of all the shows I've watched, Supernatural had one of the strongest premieres and first season. I'm glad you like it. Its definitely worth watching.

[Simon Steele]

Yeah too bad about seasons 5, 6, and 7 totally shitting on the previous seasons. I still can't stop watching though. This latest episode was pretty awful, but seems about normal for story lines lately--things just suddenly get wrapped up, no problem. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if Sam still had Lucifer problems, but my guess is it is over. It seems like the new writers really like to get problems solved ASAP. The long term problems are mostly ignored, and then when it comes time to deal with them they get dealt with rather easily in an episode. I mean two or three episodes ago it looked like Sam would be working with the devil and not telling Dean about it, and then becoming a "monster" yet again. Two episodes later he's cured!

Leviathans are the worst enemies I've ever seen on a show. And I've seen a lot of shitty shows.

[red snow]

Simon Steele, on 28 March 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

Leviathans are the worst enemies I've ever seen on a show. And I've seen a lot of shitty shows.

I'd almost forgotten about them. I read that Crowley is back soon. Fingers crossed that brings some fun.
I just gave my brother the first 3 seasons I had as box sets. I told him he'll probably have to buy 4 and will want 5 most likely too (although i thought 5 was ropey overall).

[Asha—Not Yara!]

Oh thank goodness. Sera Gamble is stepping down as showrunner. I think season 6 and 7 were extremely disappointing. Jeremy Carver is going to come back for season 8 and run the show instead. He wrote some of my favorite Supernatural episodes EVER. I liked some of Gamble's episodes, but she had way more clunkers than Carver did in my opinion, and I think she's painfully proved that she doesn't know how to put together a coherent season long arc for a show.

I am happy that it appears both Castiel and Bobby are coming back.  I hope they're around a lot for season 8. I missed the dynamic all four characters had in previous seasons. If Castiel is Lucifer 2.0 though I'll be VERY disappointed. They already sort of did that with Cas becoming God at the end of 6.22. I've had enough of that. I want my favorite nerdy angel back, not yet another weird form of him.

Edited by Asha—Not Yara!, 05 April 2012 - 04:27 AM.

[HyacinthGirl]

Asha—Not Yara!, on 05 April 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

Oh thank goodness. Sera Gamble is stepping down as showrunner. I think season 6 and 7 were extremely disappointing. Jeremy Carver is going to come back for season 8 and run the show instead. He wrote some of my favorite Supernatural episodes EVER. I liked some of Gamble's episodes, but she had way more clunkers than Carver did in my opinion, and I think she's painfully proved that she doesn't know how to put together a coherent season long arc for a show.

Ah, so it's been renewed for season 8? Huh. Yeah, I agree, I like Carver alot. BOO GAMBLE.

Asha—Not Yara!, on 05 April 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

I am happy that it appears both Castiel and Bobby are coming back.  I hope they're around a lot for season 8. I missed the dynamic all four characters had in previous seasons. If Castiel is Lucifer 2.0 though I'll be VERY disappointed. They already sort of did that with Cas becoming God at the end of 6.22. I've had enough of that. I want my favorite nerdy angel back, not yet another weird form of him.

This. We don't want creepy Cas, we want nerdy Cas who holds his FBI badge upside down and does the right thing. I can't even watch this show again until they restore the awesomeness

[Asha—Not Yara!]

Not officially renewed YET, but with the annoucement that Gamble is stepping down and Carver taking over, they are essentially are saying there will be a season 8. Frankly, there wasn't much doubt of this anyway.  CW is a struggling network and Supernatural is one of its few shows that is profitable for them and reliable with its rabid hardcore fanbase (even if some of that has eroded due to the medicore last couple of seasons or so).

Frankly, since the news about Gamble being replaced by Carver broke, I'm not sure why the official annoucement for season 8 hasn't been made yet, but the cast and crew are acting like it's just a matter of time and are making plans for the next season.

Edited by Asha—Not Yara!, 08 April 2012 - 10:45 AM.

[Chelly]

Well, this is somewhat looking up for the show. Season 6 and 7 just did not match the quality of the earlier seasons. Even season 5 towards the end was still better than 6 and 7. I just wish they hadn't already wasted a potentially awesome story and villain in purgatory and Eve. The Leviathans are not keeping my interest. Now that heaven, hell, and purgatory(somewhat) have been used for main story arcs, I am interested in seeing where they go next. I can't think of how they can come off with something fresh, but we will see. This has been one of my more recent favorite shows and I hate to see it end on a such a low note. I'm still hopeful.

[Asha—Not Yara!]

Even Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki, who play Dean and Sam respectively, have express dissatisfication with how the show has been run under Gamble's tenure. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if their unhappiness played a big role in getting Gamble essentially fired. (Most people in this business seem to consider "stepping down" to be an euphemism for "fired").

Check out this interview from post actors there: http://www.huffingto..._n_1352892.html

When your two main leads are actually trying to PROMOTE the idea of resetting two seasons worth of episodes and are saying they like that option, then there is really sign you have NOT be doing a good job running the show. Jared and Jensen also express unhappiness in that interview with the way all the support characters have been killed off. Especially with Jared having have a baby at home now, I can't imagine Jared and Jensen relishing working those extremely long shooting hours. For the workload to be spread out more among other characters, such as Castiel and Bobby, would be a great relief to them.

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Maybe give you guys some time off ...
Padalecki:[Laughs.] Yeah, we killed off a lot of our buddies and I got a baby coming soon, so ...
Ackles: But not just time off. I mean, over the course of seven seasons, we’ve -- not just on screen as characters, but off-screen as actors and professionals -- we build relationships with people and especially with some of the recurring guest stars that I think have been very, very valuable on screen. Go back to the very beginning and I think a lot of the reasons the show was successful in the beginning was Eric [Kripke, "Supernatural" creator] wrote a great script, created two amazing characters, and the chemistry between those two characters was palpable. I mean, you can really get into it. You really felt for these two brothers and the great thing about the show was other relationships like that have blossomed throughout the years with other characters. And I think that, that’s something that he and I as actors both really enjoy, is kind of that cultivating relationship with other characters and--
Padalecki: It also fleshes out Sam and Dean.
Ackles: Absolutely.
Padalecki: I mean, we’ve seen Sam and Dean on and off for so many years. So now we see them with other friends, with other family, with enemies, acquaintances, whatever it is. And also, Jared and Jensen have met fans worldwide. We’ve gone to so many conventions and had an opportunity to talk with the fans who really made the show continue for the first couple of seasons. It was our online support that really put us over the edge as far as getting picked up and we’ve had a chance to talk with them one-on-one, over and over and over again, just as soon as last weekend. So it’s nice and they all love those characters as well. So, it’d be something nice for the fans, for us, for everybody.

Anyway it's good interview. Check out the whole thing.

[Simon Steele]

What episodes is this Carver fellow responsible for? I remember hearing how awesome Sera would be...so I don't wanna get my hopes up.

[Asha—Not Yara!]

Craver's episodes:  

3.04 Sin City
3.08 A Very Supernatural Christmas
3.11 Mystery Spot - Credit with Teleplay, and Story Credit with Emily McLaughlin
3.14 Long-Distance Call
4.03 In The Beginning
4.11 Family Remains
4.15 Death Takes A Holiday
4.20 The Rapture
5.03 Free To Be You And Me
5.08 Changing Channels
5.15 Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid
5.18 Point Of No Return

5.18, 5.08, 4.20 and 3.11 are some of my favorite episodes Supernatural episodes of all time. I haven't seen "Family Remains" yet, but most fans seem to regard that one as a dud. Other than that one, I get the impression that most of his episodes were really well received, and he made a strong showing with them.

Maybe you heard some fans think Gamble was awesome, but I heard a LOT of fans had serious reservations about her taking over too. While I liked some of her episodes, Carver seems to be the stronger writer in my opinion. Plus he has experience running a show called "Being Human" (he's co-produced it with his wife). "Being Human" (North American version) seems to have gotten good reviews (I haven't seen it myself though so I can't attest to that personally).

It's entirely possible Carver could suck. I don't know, but I hated these last two seasons so much. I was ready to give up on the show, so I'm hoping Carver can breathe some much needed new life into it.

Edited by Asha—Not Yara!, 10 April 2012 - 07:53 PM.

[Lord of the Night]

Chelly, on 24 March 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

Anyone still watching? I thought the last episode was pretty good. Looks like Castiel is back, not sure where they plan on going with this season, but I'm gonna stick around for the ride. The actress who plays new Meg is sort of fun to watch, but they should really limit her lines. She's either terrible or trying to imitate the original Meg and just ends up delivering her all her lines in the same exact tone.

Anyway, hopefully they will start getting stuff done soon. Crowley is sorely missed. I prefer him over Lucifer as a villain. Liked the touch with ghost Bobby still helping the boys out.

The current Meg is much better than the old Meg in my view. The current Meg can match the Winchesters snark for snark and her 'sexual' tension with Castiel is hilarious. I did like the first Meg but I much prefer the second Meg, she's funnier and more enjoyable.

HyacinthGirl, on 26 March 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

Yeah, I watched the last ep after skipping a ton of the Sam-breakdown episodes (just so boring: the badass, fun brother dynamic is gone from the show) because I missed Cas so much but...I didn't like it. They just LEFT him there? Didn't call his new wife or something? He absorbs all of Sam's crazy and they aren't even grateful? I couldn't handle how cold Dean was to Cas, I know he did some stupid, bad shit but they were friends, and even Sam seemed happier to see Cas than Dean.

KRIPKE, COME FIX IT.

What exactly would they say to her? Sorry, the guy you married was an angel who went nuts and tried to become God and now he's lost his marbles again, oh and his feelings for you will likely be non-existant now due to angels having little to no feelings and zero understanding of them.

And if Cas had just helped them in the first place he wouldn't have needed to absorb Sam's hallucinations. He broke the wall down to keep them busy and refused to fix it out of spite. I wouldn't have been surprised if Dean had punched him once he regained his memories for that, most people would, and even Cas admitted that it was his fault Sam had become like this. Of course Dean will be cold to him, Cas betrayed their trust completely and nearly destroyed Sam. It'll take time for their friendship to heal.

Kripke is still a part of this show, one of the most important parts. He just isn't completely in charge anymore.

Chelly, on 26 March 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Yeah, I can't deny how lazy they have been. Unfortunately, my loyalty to this show just won't die! I feel like I am stuck in a bad marriage.   It was pretty screwed up how they just left Cas, there, but I think that is part of the laziness of writing, too.

What else are they meant to do? Cas is crazy, so are they gonna take him on the road with them and leave him to drool in the backseat of the Car of the Week and listen to him babble about what Hallucifer is doing to him? No they leave him in a place where he can be watched and not be a danger to anyone or himself. This is hardly different from when Cas wasn't crazy, he was behind the scenes whenever he wasn't with the Winchesters. Except now he isn't in heaven, he's in the loony bin. He'll be back, he just needs time.

Simon Steele, on 28 March 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

Yeah too bad about seasons 5, 6, and 7 totally shitting on the previous seasons. I still can't stop watching though. This latest episode was pretty awful, but seems about normal for story lines lately--things just suddenly get wrapped up, no problem. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if Sam still had Lucifer problems, but my guess is it is over. It seems like the new writers really like to get problems solved ASAP. The long term problems are mostly ignored, and then when it comes time to deal with them they get dealt with rather easily in an episode. I mean two or three episodes ago it looked like Sam would be working with the devil and not telling Dean about it, and then becoming a "monster" yet again. Two episodes later he's cured!

Leviathans are the worst enemies I've ever seen on a show. And I've seen a lot of shitty shows.

All three of those Seasons were great, if anything I prefer them to the earlier seasons. Season 1, 2 and 3 are great, Season 3 would have been better if the Gordon hunting Sam storyline had been realised, but Seasons 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the best of Supernatural. Season 5 has Gabriel's death, the journey to heaven, the final battle against Lucifer; Season 6 has GodCas, Balthazar, the TV world and Weekend at Bobby's; And Season 7 has Meet the New Boss, Bobby's Death which i'm pretty sure is what earned Supernatural its People's Choice Award for Best Drama, the introduction of Frank Devereaux and Garth, and the Plucky Pennywhistle episode. All classic stuff.

And the Shojo episode was great, and very funny.

I disagree completely with all the Leviathan hate. They are the second most successful villain in the show. Only Azazel did more damage to the Winchesters than Dick Roman has done. Think about it. The Leviathans killed Bobby, took Cas away, destroyed Bobby's House which was Dean and Sam's house too, forced them even further off the grid and to have to hide the Impala away, and are still killing the people who work with them like Frank. Lucifer, Crowley and Lilith never did that much damage. Only Azazel tops it by having killed John and Mary, given Sam demon's blood, controlling so many aspects of Sam's life and killing Jess, and wiping out practically every early friend and ally of the Winchester clan.

The Leviathans need some more time and episode appearances and to have their plans revealed to the audience. That way we'll know what it is they are up to, like what it was that Bobby saw in Dick Roman's office that horrified him, and thus they'll become more interesting because we can appreciate what they are trying to do. That and they can't die makes which them even cooler. Full stop. Even demons can die, Leviathans do not. It has been said in the show that the borax melting and decapitation does not kill them, merely (hopefully) permanently incapacitates them.

Asha—Not Yara!, on 10 April 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Maybe you heard some fans think Gamble was awesome, but I heard a LOT of fans had serious reservations about her taking over too. While I liked some of her episodes, Carver seems to be the stronger writer in my opinion. Plus he has experience running a show called "Being Human" (he's co-produced it with his wife). "Being Human" (North American version) seems to have gotten good reviews (I haven't seen it myself though so I can't attest to that personally).

It's entirely possible Carver could suck. I don't know, but I hated these last two seasons so much. I was ready to give up on the show, so I'm hoping Carver can breathe some much needed new life into it.

I am one of these fans. I love seasons 6 and 7, and most of Gamble's episodes, and I am very sorry to see her leave. Gems like Heart and Death's Door were written by her and those episodes are unforgettable. I do like Carver and I look forward to seeing what he brings to the show but I will miss Gamble and simply cannot understand all the hate for her. If you dislike the current seasons then that is your choice but Gamble isn't solely responsible for them, Kripke and all of the team play an equal part in creating the seasons and the overall storyline.

I can't understand what it is that people don't like about Supernatural's current seasons. I love them, to me there has never been a bad episode of Supernatural, merely some weaker episodes amongst the greater bunch. Season 6 and 7 have some of my favourite episodes like Death's Door, Frontierland, The Man Who Would Be King, Meet the New Boss, Plucky Pennywhistle's Magic Menagerie, Like a Virgin, Mommy Dearest, Live Free or Twihard and Weekend at Bobby's. And they introduced Balthazar, and took him away Bastards! Garth, Frank Devereaux, and there was plenty of Crowley and Death who are both high amongst the Top 10 characters of the entire show.


LotN

[HyacinthGirl]

Lord of the Night, on 14 April 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

I can't understand what it is that people don't like about Supernatural's current seasons. I love them, to me there has never been a bad episode of Supernatural, merely some weaker episodes amongst the greater bunch. Season 6 and 7 have some of my favourite episodes like Death's Door, Frontierland, The Man Who Would Be King, Meet the New Boss, Plucky Pennywhistle's Magic Menagerie, Like a Virgin, Mommy Dearest, Live Free or Twihard and Weekend at Bobby's. And they introduced Balthazar, and took him away Bastards! Garth, Frank Devereaux, and there was plenty of Crowley and Death who are both high amongst the Top 10 characters of the entire show.

LotN

(spoilers for people who haven't seen all of the show yet)
I really admire your dedication to the show but I do not share your admiration for the last two seasons. I wish I could still enjoy the show but it's just so difficult now because it's lost its badass, fun-but-dark, rock'n'roll vibe. Now it's just Sam and Dean's lives going for bad to worse to what's-the-point awful. You might like that, but that's literally all the show is these days, and it used to be so much more - thrilling, funny, edgy.

There were a few good episodes but the more I look back on these seasons the more annoyed I am. The monsters, on the whole, have been crap - especially the Leviathans, IMO. I get that they've done a lot of damage to the Winchesters but they are just BORING and not nearly as dimensional as the other bad guys we've seen. And the lack of supporting characters is another blunder: Ackles and Padalecki are superb in their roles but even they have expressed complaints about the amount of work they have now that the cast has been reduced.  Castiel's return was disappointing, Crowley is such a fantastic character but they don't use him enough, Chuck - where the hell is Chuck?, Balthazar should not have been killed, and Bobby's death still doesn't feel like it served much purpose - only made the boys lives more bleak and difficult. I'm not against killing of characters - i.e. when Jo and Ellen died, it narratively made sense, in a casualties-of-war kind of way. What I'm saying is that I got bored with the main characters because they were pretty much the only characters, and I got bored with their gruff conversations and pained looks into the middle distance.

And the "oh-no-something-ELSE-is-wrong-with-Sam!" stuff has been going on for way, way to long:

Spoiler

S1- Creepy visions (great)
S2 - back from the dead but different (good)
S3 - will do anything to save dean, including Ruby (good)
S4 - demon blood (great)
S5 - consents to the lucifer vessel situation (good)
S6 - no soul, then a soul, feels bad about no soul bender, etc (dull & pointless)
S7 - crazy (haven't we been here before?)

The thing I liked best about seasons 1-5 was the escalation: everything tied in with the next storyline, there was deep and heavy stuff going on as well as the ass kicking episodes. So when the angel storyline came in it just worked so well: they had built it up in a way that made it incredibly interesting. Very, very few shows, or even films, can pull of that kind of take on theology, but Supernatural made it original and their own. When I say I miss Kripke, I miss the way he crafted those seasons. The fact that he stepped down after season 5 says a lot to me, because even he hadn't had a plan he considered good enough for subsequent arcs.

I don't mean to be a troll, I probably shouldn't be lurking on threads for a show which I no longer enjoy, but because I used to LOVE this show, it's so difficult and frustrating for me to see the quality drop so dramatically.  I used to think nothing would make me stop loving the show. I was wrong.
But, LotN, if you're still enjoying it, that's good.

Edited by HyacinthGirl, 15 April 2012 - 05:12 AM.

[Simon Steele]

Lord of the Night, on 14 April 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

WHAT???

All that stuff you wrote--you're nuts!