Chelly, on 24 March 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:
Anyone still watching? I thought the last episode was pretty good. Looks like Castiel is back, not sure where they plan on going with this season, but I'm gonna stick around for the ride. The actress who plays new Meg is sort of fun to watch, but they should really limit her lines. She's either terrible or trying to imitate the original Meg and just ends up delivering her all her lines in the same exact tone.
Anyway, hopefully they will start getting stuff done soon. Crowley is sorely missed. I prefer him over Lucifer as a villain. Liked the touch with ghost Bobby still helping the boys out.
The current Meg is much better than the old Meg in my view. The current Meg can match the Winchesters snark for snark and her 'sexual' tension with Castiel is hilarious. I did like the first Meg but I much prefer the second Meg, she's funnier and more enjoyable.
HyacinthGirl, on 26 March 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:
Yeah, I watched the last ep after skipping a ton of the Sam-breakdown episodes (just so boring: the badass, fun brother dynamic is gone from the show) because I missed Cas so much but...I didn't like it. They just LEFT him there? Didn't call his new wife or something? He absorbs all of Sam's crazy and they aren't even grateful? I couldn't handle how cold Dean was to Cas, I know he did some stupid, bad shit but they were friends, and even Sam seemed happier to see Cas than Dean.
KRIPKE, COME FIX IT.
What exactly would they say to her? Sorry, the guy you married was an angel who went nuts and tried to become God and now he's lost his marbles again, oh and his feelings for you will likely be non-existant now due to angels having little to no feelings and zero understanding of them.
And if Cas had just helped them in the first place he wouldn't have needed to absorb Sam's hallucinations. He broke the wall down to keep them busy and refused to fix it out of spite. I wouldn't have been surprised if Dean had punched him once he regained his memories for that, most people would, and even Cas admitted that it was his fault Sam had become like this. Of course Dean will be cold to him, Cas betrayed their trust completely and nearly destroyed Sam. It'll take time for their friendship to heal.
Kripke is still a part of this show, one of the most important parts. He just isn't completely in charge anymore.
Chelly, on 26 March 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:
Yeah, I can't deny how lazy they have been. Unfortunately, my loyalty to this show just won't die! I feel like I am stuck in a bad marriage.
It was pretty screwed up how they just left Cas, there, but I think that is part of the laziness of writing, too.
What else are they meant to do? Cas is crazy, so are they gonna take him on the road with them and leave him to drool in the backseat of the Car of the Week and listen to him babble about what Hallucifer is doing to him? No they leave him in a place where he can be watched and not be a danger to anyone or himself. This is hardly different from when Cas wasn't crazy, he was behind the scenes whenever he wasn't with the Winchesters. Except now he isn't in heaven, he's in the loony bin. He'll be back, he just needs time.
Simon Steele, on 28 March 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:
Yeah too bad about seasons 5, 6, and 7 totally shitting on the previous seasons. I still can't stop watching though. This latest episode was pretty awful, but seems about normal for story lines lately--things just suddenly get wrapped up, no problem. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if Sam still had Lucifer problems, but my guess is it is over. It seems like the new writers really like to get problems solved ASAP. The long term problems are mostly ignored, and then when it comes time to deal with them they get dealt with rather easily in an episode. I mean two or three episodes ago it looked like Sam would be working with the devil and not telling Dean about it, and then becoming a "monster" yet again. Two episodes later he's cured!
Leviathans are the worst enemies I've ever seen on a show. And I've seen a lot of shitty shows.
All three of those Seasons were great, if anything I prefer them to the earlier seasons. Season 1, 2 and 3 are great, Season 3 would have been better if the Gordon hunting Sam storyline had been realised, but Seasons 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the best of Supernatural. Season 5 has Gabriel's death, the journey to heaven, the final battle against Lucifer; Season 6 has GodCas, Balthazar, the TV world and Weekend at Bobby's; And Season 7 has Meet the New Boss, Bobby's Death which i'm pretty sure is what earned Supernatural its People's Choice Award for Best Drama, the introduction of Frank Devereaux and Garth, and the Plucky Pennywhistle episode. All classic stuff.
And the Shojo episode was great, and very funny.
I disagree completely with all the Leviathan hate. They are the second most successful villain in the show. Only Azazel did more damage to the Winchesters than Dick Roman has done. Think about it. The Leviathans killed Bobby, took Cas away, destroyed Bobby's House which was Dean and Sam's house too, forced them even further off the grid and to have to hide the Impala away, and are still killing the people who work with them like Frank. Lucifer, Crowley and Lilith never did that much damage. Only Azazel tops it by having killed John and Mary, given Sam demon's blood, controlling so many aspects of Sam's life and killing Jess, and wiping out practically every early friend and ally of the Winchester clan.
The Leviathans need some more time and episode appearances and to have their plans revealed to the audience. That way we'll know what it is they are up to, like what it was that Bobby saw in Dick Roman's office that horrified him, and thus they'll become more interesting because we can appreciate what they are trying to do. That and they can't die makes which them even cooler. Full stop. Even demons can die, Leviathans do not. It has been said in the show that the borax melting and decapitation does not kill them, merely (hopefully) permanently incapacitates them.
Asha—Not Yara!, on 10 April 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:
Maybe you heard some fans think Gamble was awesome, but I heard a LOT of fans had serious reservations about her taking over too. While I liked some of her episodes, Carver seems to be the stronger writer in my opinion. Plus he has experience running a show called "Being Human" (he's co-produced it with his wife). "Being Human" (North American version) seems to have gotten good reviews (I haven't seen it myself though so I can't attest to that personally).
It's entirely possible Carver could suck. I don't know, but I hated these last two seasons so much. I was ready to give up on the show, so I'm hoping Carver can breathe some much needed new life into it.
I am one of these fans. I love seasons 6 and 7, and most of Gamble's episodes, and I am very sorry to see her leave. Gems like Heart and Death's Door were written by her and those episodes are unforgettable. I do like Carver and I look forward to seeing what he brings to the show but I will miss Gamble and simply cannot understand all the hate for her. If you dislike the current seasons then that is your choice but Gamble isn't solely responsible for them, Kripke and all of the team play an equal part in creating the seasons and the overall storyline.
I can't understand what it is that people don't like about Supernatural's current seasons. I love them, to me there has never been a bad episode of Supernatural, merely some weaker episodes amongst the greater bunch. Season 6 and 7 have some of my favourite episodes like Death's Door, Frontierland, The Man Who Would Be King, Meet the New Boss, Plucky Pennywhistle's Magic Menagerie, Like a Virgin, Mommy Dearest, Live Free or Twihard and Weekend at Bobby's. And they introduced Balthazar, and took him away Bastards! Garth, Frank Devereaux, and there was plenty of Crowley and Death who are both high amongst the Top 10 characters of the entire show.