Arthmail Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I was commenting on the "payoff". The fact that the narrative has a point instead of running in circles or proceeding at random.Neither Bakker nor Erikson wander aimlessly, so, no matter of inconsistencies, you can expect that what they write is not an hoax.They both deserve that much faith.They don't deserve anything. Why should they? I don't owe them a thing.As for Khellus, i don't hate him. I think he's probably one of the worst characters put onto page, basically being an empty shell from which the philosophy of Bakker shines out. He is, and always has been really, a thing. Perhaps in one sense he's an incredible creation, being so distant as to be alien, but being an incredible creation does not make him a good character. Or compelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I do think it is amazing how Kellhus went from being my favorite character in the first book and is inverted into something of a tyrannical monster by the end of the third book. It's basically the reverse of what GRRM did with Jaime. ;)Ah, kinda when he betrays the fur trapper I was "Wha?" and then when he murders the child shortly after...lets say early on, he ceased being my favorite character! Took chapters, not books.And I don't want him to die. Not yet. Because who the heck else can beat the consult? Not that I know he intends to beat them. But I'm pretty certain he's the only dude who can enact that. It would be most convenient if he did beat the consult, then died. But after beating the consult, of course, the odds of anything killing him are low.Though have we already seen determinism in action with the white luck warriors future echo? And if there is no trump card to beat that determinism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 As for Khellus, i don't hate him. I think he's probably one of the worst characters put onto page, basically being an empty shell from which the philosophy of Bakker shines out. He is, and always has been really, a thing. Perhaps in one sense he's an incredible creation, being so distant as to be alien, but being an incredible creation does not make him a good character. Or compelling.Your arguments against him are the ones I'd use to argue for him being a good character. I think he's purposefully meant to become less of a personality (as opposed to character) as the series progresses.I also like how we have lost his POVs in the second trilogy as not knowing what he's thinking makes him more interesting (there's also the fact that we shouldn't be able to comprehend the thoughts of such a high intellect. It's a bit like how we probably shouldn't have a littlefinger or Varys POV as they'd likely give the game away and are far more compelling when we don't fully understand they're thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I see Kellhus' arc ending in a supreme sacrifice, something along the lines of Jesus only with more alien rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pineapple Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I see Kellhus' arc ending in a supreme sacrifice, something along the lines of Jesus only with more alien rape.Pleeeease don't get my hopes up! I've been praying for a juicy menage a trois between Aurang, Aurax and Kellhus since TTT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraPrime Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I see Kellhus' arc ending in a supreme sacrifice, something along the lines of Jesus only with more alien rape.But do we really know that there weren't any alien rape involved in the death of Jesus? I remain skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Buck Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 But do we really know that there weren't any alien rape involved in the death of Jesus? I remain skeptical.As the great golden-haired demigod Bakker himself would say: "Certainty is a crock of a bullshit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I want Kellhus to die so very, very much. His comeuppance is one of the things I wish for.Well shit, I just agreed on something with Kalbear. 2012 IS the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durckad Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 But do we really know that there weren't any alien rape involved in the death of Jesus? I remain skeptical.What do you think Longinus's lance was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pineapple Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 What do you think Longinus's lance was?It all makes sense now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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