Melisandra, on 16 January 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:
Thank you for finding this passage for me! It's the one I was thinking of and it was driving me crazy! So it was Lord Arnolf and not the Maester who had the fine grey wood cloak. Too bad. I was thinking this was the cloak that was concealed on the Maester. Well, so much for that!
Do you also know the book and page number where Reek would have seen Arnolf supping with Ramsay and Umber? I'd like to re-read that passage as well.
Back to the Theon gift chapter, Arnolf is waiting, yes, but he asks if he can "break fast" with Stannis. This question suggests to me that Arnolf's ruse isn't totally in the open yet. For Stannis, seeing and speaking with the Maester is the confirmation (of the impending deceit) he needs and I would expect the Karstark men would be seized and taken into custody shortly after.
Yeah, Arnolf had the cloak you were thinking of,
Here is a quote from Stannis, from the new gift chapter,
"Confine this grey wretch to one of the huts until I decide what is to be done with him."
That quote leads me to believe that Maester Tybald, was only wearing a normal maester's robe.
The page number for when "Reek" see's Ramsey supping with Arnolf Karstark, and Umber is, page # 166 in the hardback edition of ADwD, and again it's the very first "Reek" chapter.
As to the last part of your post,
Arnolf asks to "break fast" with Stannis, because Arnolf at this time doesn't know, that Stannis knows about him. So Arnolf is trying to "play it cool" and act like everything is completely normal, at this time when he requests to "break fast" with Stannis.
And I don't really think talking to Tybald is what confirmed Karstark's deceit for Stannis. What I mean is, I believe Stannis was sure of the deceit, before talking to Tybald. Yes, Stannis talking to Tybald probably double confirmed his belief of Karstark's deceit, but I believe he was sure of it, from speaking to Tycho, and reading Jon's letter. The main reason why Stannis talked to Tybald was to question him about the letter sent to Winterfell . Stannis suspected Tybald sent a raven to Winterfell, Stannis just did not know what was in the letter, that the raven took to Winterfell. I'm referring to these quotes from the new Theon chapter,
"Answer me. If we were to loose these birds, would they return to the Dreadfort?" The king leaned forward. "Or might they fly for Winterfell instead?"
"What I want to know is what was in the letter that you sent to Winterfell. Did you perchance tell Lord Bolton where to find us?"
The first quote to me, means that Stannis suspected the ravens went to Winterfell, he was just watching the maester's reactions, to make sure his suspicion was correct.
And the second quote to me, shows that Stannis obviously suspected Tybald of telling Roose where Stannis and his men are at, he was just making sure. Because Tybald admits to sending Roose a map
This is a bit off topic but,
Now Roose has a map telling him were to find Stannis. Stannis can use that to his complete advantage. Because Roose does not know, that Stannis knows, that Roose knows where Stannis is. Roose will have his men follow the map, and Stannis can make them think that he is where their map says he is, and then BAM, AMBUSH BABY. Also I am a firm believer that Stannis will some how trick his enemies, into coming onto the frozen lake. I bet it's solid enough to ride a horse on. But Stannis could ambush the Boltons, by forcing them to ride on to the lake that is possibly covered in snow or something, and they could literally be walking on rotten ice. Meaning Stannis tampers with the ice, by cutting the outlines of holes, so when the enemy steps into one of those outlines, the ice then goes down from there waight causing them to fall in. (or something like that)
I'm not sure how exactly, but Stannis has a golden opportunity to use that lake to his advantage. And I believe this quote means he will,
"We hold the ground, and that I mean to turn to our advantage.
"The ground?" said Theon. "What ground? Here? This misbegotten tower? This wretched little village? You have no high ground here, no walls to hide beyond, no natural defenses."
"Yet," both ravens screamed in unison.
Sorry this post got pretty long.