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[Despot]

Lancel would be my first guess. Poor kid.

Second guess, the Hound. That would be epic, but somehow, I don't think it would end well for the Hound.

I think that Ser Gregorstain will win, and Cercei will be free, and on power again. But that's not the main point of Cercei's trail.

The main point is - that's my guess - that Dornishmen will think that Gregorstain is Gregor Clegane, and that Cercei tricked them. That will be

the trigger of Tommen's death, by the hand of Dornishmen in KL - probably, lady Nym, or lady Tyene, or even Dornishmen man-at-arms -

I can't remember where, but I'm positive that Cercei wanted to have a Dornishmen as a men-at-arms at KL and instructor to Tommen.

As many other Cercei's ideas, that will go perfectly wrong.

I think that Margaery's trial will go all wrong as well.

First, because, Cercei will be on power again, and she is dumb enough to do whatever she can to see Marg's head on a spike.

Second, it would fit Varys's goal - to end a Lannister/Tyrell allegiance perfectly well. He will see that Marg hits the spike, but blame will be

on Cercei. It doesn't get far better than that.

I want to apologize for any textual or grammar mistakes, I'm not a native speaker.

[James Arryn]

Is Robert Strong even a known quantity? Not to us...we've gotten Qyburn's hints. But would whoever is deciding whether or not to fight him aware of anything except he's huge?

[Jon Flowers]

Due to the fact that the question is in large part Cersei's word against Margaery's, I think that his oponent will be a Tyrell and since Loras is injured and Garlan is likely better with a sword anyway, it will probably be him.
Lancel seems unlikely since he has never been mentioned as having any particular skill and his physical condition at the moment is abysmal as well.  Obarra could be a possibility, but I think she would favor a declaration of war instead and of course there is the possibility of some hitherto unnamed sacrificial lamb.  Whomever he or she may be, good luck to them because they are likely going to die.

Edited by Jon Flowers, 26 April 2012 - 10:42 PM.

[The King in the South]

Jon Flowers, on 26 April 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

Due to the fact that the question is in large part Cersei's word against Margaery's, I think that his oponent will be a Tyrell and since Loras is injured and Garlan is likely better with a sword anyway, it will probably be him.
Lancel seems unlikely since he has never been mentioned as having any particular skill and his physical condition at the moment is abysmal as well.  Obarra could be a possibility, but I think she would favor a declaration of war instead and of course there is the possibility of some hitherto unnamed sacrificial lamb.  Whomever he or she may be, good luck to them because they are likely going to die.

It makes no sense that a Tyrell would be the fighter though. If Cersei loses, then Tommen is illegitimate and thus so is Margaery's claim.

[Jon Flowers]

The King in the South, on 26 April 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

It makes no sense that a Tyrell would be the fighter though. If Cersei loses, then Tommen is illegitimate and thus so is Margaery's claim.

Possibly, but the Tyrells seem to be in a position both in terms of power and popularity to seize the throne in their own right if that were a problem.  I just think that to them, particularly Mace, family honor is at stake.

[Towel]

My guess is they want cersei to win, so it won't be a tyrell. They get to the throne through tommen, and kill whoever they need to off later. They already killed Joff, why go through a war when you can just support Cersei now, and take her out down the line?

Edited by Towel, 26 April 2012 - 11:08 PM.

[Jon Flowers]

I just don't think Mace is that calculating.  His mother maybe (who was behind the assasination), but not him and I think he'll have his way in this.  Basically, family honor above all else.  He already controls the small council and has the support of the commons anyway, so the throne is the Tryrell's for the taking if they want it in their own right.

Edited by Jon Flowers, 26 April 2012 - 11:12 PM.

[Jon Flowers]

About the Small Council: Swyft and Pycelle are dead, while Varys, Littlefinger and Waters are absent or fled.  Otherwise, they are all Tyrell bannermen unless I'm mistaken.

And it's mentioned as well that they have the love of the commons, in large part for having saved the city from the famine (after having helped create it).

Edited by Jon Flowers, 26 April 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[kimo333]

BlackWaterSurvivor, on 07 January 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

surely it will be loras, given that he hasnt been comfirmed as dead and would be acting in order to restore his beloved sisters honour. the hound has found god, so i think that rules him out and i also think that is the last we see or hear of him. who is robert strong meant to be anyway? i read somewhere that it may be gregor but isnt he dead?

no. Gregor IS robert strong

[Towel]

Jon Flowers, on 26 April 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

I just don't think Mace is that calculating.  

Mace doesn't run that family. The women do. And the princess is smart enough to know.

[The Smiling Eye]

Jon Snow as Azor Ahai reborn.

[Lyanna Stark]

Jon Flowers, on 26 April 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Possibly, but the Tyrells seem to be in a position both in terms of power and popularity to seize the throne in their own right if that were a problem.  I just think that to them, particularly Mace, family honor is at stake.

If the trial is delayed a bit due to Kevan's death, you also have the possibility that the Tyrells will be more than happy with Cersei losing, since Margarey could go on and marry f!Aegon.

That's a long shot though. In the short term, I think the Tyrells are happy with Tommen as their puppet king and they would not want Cersei to fall and Tommen to be declared an adomination of incest. This is despite Margarey and Loras clearly hating Cersei, but personal feelings aside, I believe they will be aiming for outmaneuvering a weakened Cersei instead of angling for her to fall completely. It would mean too much uncertainty on whom will take the Iron Throne. The Faith would not want Stannis to be next in line either, as he doesn't believe in the Seven anymore.

Overall, I would be surprised if Robert Strong doesn't win, and probably against Kettleblack or Lancel, since they are among Cersei's accusers. I guess we'll see if Sansa was right when she didn't believe the Kettleblacks to be better fighters than the Hound.

Of course, this will all come to nothing when Randyll Tarly declares for F!Aegon!!!! Go Tarly!!

[Lummel]

I would have thought that given the balance of power in Kings Landing after Kevan's death it is more likely to be a case of trial by battle as Cersei attempts to use Robert Strong to cut a way out for her and King Tommen to escape rather than a judicial trial.

[Jamie Lannister]

Why do we assume Ser Robert is going to be a complete monsterbot 2.0.? There's always the (slim) possibility that Gregor's second chance at life has him become a chivalrous, honourable pseudo-knight who would offer his defeated opponents a hand back to their feet rather than a sword to the face...

...

Maybe...

[Towel]

He doesn't have a head...

[Jamie Lannister]

Well, his sick mind was half of his problem, so mayhaps this is a blessing.

[Ser Adam Dayne]

I wouldn't mind Obara Sand.  To tell you the truths didn't really think of it until now.  However, the only reason Obara would fight Robert is if she thought it was somehow Gregor.  Robert can definitely be beaten, nobody is invincible in this world.  Even Arthur Dayne was killed in combat, even if he was outnumbered.  The key to victory here is obviously not trying to go blow for blow with Robert.  The Viper had a plan, and lost at the last moment.  Obara I see as being of the same skill set.  She would have her fathers speed and skill (hopefully) and I don't think she really gives a shit about who she is facing.  It would be nice for Dorne to finally come out on top of something.  I hate Lancel, even though I wouldn't mind reading him fighting Robert.  Maybe his new faith will make him the man he always wanted to be.

[Ser Tom Tarly]

I think Ser Robert Strongs opponent will be Lancel or someone of the Faiths choosing. I dont think it will be the Hound, assuming Ser Strong is Gregor I think that match up will be kept for later (yes I believe Sandor is on the Quiet Isle). It wouldnt make sense for it to be a Tyrell, I know they dont have much love for Cersei and would like her out of the way but just not in this fashion as Tommen would be illegitimate.
I hope its not Lancel as i think hed be swatted away, hopefully the Faith has an ace up its sleeve like Cersei did.

[Pommes]

I think that it will be Lancel, too. And i could imagine that he wins. Maybe we see for the first time that the seven have some real influence. (I would like it if not only r'hollor but other gods have some power)
The faith probably believes that trial by combat is a judgement of the seven (they have great faith therefore the name faith^^). So they don't need to pick the best fighter, but the most faithful, or what do you think?

[James Arryn]

Is Strong even mortal anymore?