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[Arkash]

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Yeah but then there would have to be polar bears or something, wouldn't there?

The Dharma Initiative hatches !

Edited by Arkash, 13 January 2012 - 06:24 PM.

[Lady Candace]

littlespider, on 13 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

This is possible, but I think Cersei says that the message came from some kind of religious guy. It's one of the Cersei chapters, early on, in FFC. I'll have to check.

Brienne says that the island's prosperity is visible from far off. Ironborn adrift in the Narrow Sea will be hungry as well as looking for plunder. A lot of the monasteries that the Vikings actually raided were fairly wealthy; I don't know if we see evidence of a whole lot of gold and jewels there, but they might have some money.

IRT a POV, I don't think we even have to see the raid. In the same way that Saltpans was heard about second hand, any raid on the QI might be related second hand. The Ironborn have already posed a significant threat to the western shores of Westeros, so it makes sense that those who are split off from the Euron/Vic mission might go rogue. I also think that second-hand reports of a horrible raid would be more frightening for the folks who hear about it.

It's a stretch, but I like it.

GREGOR SMASH. If Greg attacked the monastery, Sandor would most certainly move against him -- not because of vengeance, but because he's trying to protect the monastery and the bros.

My suspicion is that Dany will not land on the east coast of Westeros but rather at Casterly Rock on Tyrion's rec. The Rock will fall as an Astapor 2.0 (since Tyrion knows all the sewer systems). But this doesn't mean that another dragon won't show up on QI...

I also suspect Dany will ahve to go east to go west or whatever it was, meaning she comes ashore on the Western half. Haha maybe as an irony she conquers Dorne first instead of last like the older Targs did.

Tyrion's sewer knowledge does seem like an odd detail. It could either represent his father's low opinion, or it could be a clue. Perhaps both. I'll vote both.

Gregor smash = ARE WEEEE READYYY TO RUMBLEEEEE?!

[Lady Candace]

Shamelessly random crackpotting here:

The perfumed seneschal is not in Essos, but in Westeros. What I said above means that Daenerys would be another "Young Dragon" (Daeron I), who conquered Dorne at a young age, but did not hold it because a 'clever trap killed the steward who had been left to rule Dorne for him.'

Something similar, but perhaps this time, the steward will betray the conqueror (Dany).

[Fire Eater]

I don't think the Ironborn will raid the QI. They're on the other side of Westeros, and they're going to have to deal with Redwyne's fleet sailing up Whispering Sound. By sea, they'd have to get past Redwyne's Fleet and go past King's Landing, and by land and river they'd have to get past the riverlords carrying their longships by land, and in ACoK, they've shown that they don't have the discipline to hold against an armored charge.  

As for the septon who possibly married Rhaegar(who could have worn a hood to hide his identity) and Lyanna, I think that could have been Septon Meribald. Meribald has said that he has performed marriages when traveling from village to village and town to town. He is always on the move, making it harder to find him, and what are the chances of him remembering a random marriage out of the countless marriages he has performed. This makes him the perfect choice to perform a secret marriage for Rhaegar and Lyanna.

As for the QI, the novice turns out to be Sandor (well no shit) and he might follow Jaime to aid Sansa against UnGregor. He may die in the attempt prompting an emotional scene where Sansa cries over his dead body.

[Starbird]

What's the QI's capacity? As in, how many people could reasonably be living there at any given time? We know Sandor and the EB have fighting ability, and probably a few others do as well, but I'm wondering what kind of defense they could actually mount. It seems to me the mud flats, etc. are their best defense, and that having some archers picking off raiders would be more useful than sending men to fight in a bog.

IF any raiders did make it through the mud, I suspect there would be a relatively small number of QI residents who would actually be able and willing to repel them. Sandor was digging someone's grave. The EB is a great healer but obviously he can't save everyone. So why did that person die? Is Sandor's full-time job digging graves or was this just a one-off event? Is there sickness on the QI? (I'm guessing not.) Are people staying so long they're dying of old age?

With the variety of things and people who wash up on the QI's shores, EB must be pretty good at quelling feuds amongst the island's populace. Judging by the way the other brother clammed up when Brienne said she was looking to kill Sandor, there must be some kind of solidarity, at least between the brothers, if not between the various people living/hiding/healing there. That being the case, I think it could be likely that the EB could summon some "troops," either by cashing in on gratitude for his healing skills or by sheer force of personality.

Sorry, LC, this post is all over the place. As for who or what will wash up on shore next, the best bet seems to be the Blackfish. We need something to get Sandor off the island and the BF has the Sansa/Riverrun connection as well as a personality that seems compatible with Sandor's. I find the QI to be a very intriguing locale and I like the idea of there being a small place of peace within Westeros. That being said, though, I think the EB is more fishy than not. He wrote to Cersei about Saltpans. Why? Who else is he communicating with? As peaceful as the QI seems, it's still a sponge soaking up outlaws, sinners, and, less ominously, the hurt and sick. All of that corruption in one place, plus Saltpans and Lady Stoneheart being nearby, has to come to a head sooner or later. How much more 'bad blood' will the QI attract before it can't contain any more? I can see the QI imploding more than I can see some random outside influence doing it in. (As in, BF and Brienne somehow get to/return to the QI, talk to Sandor, Sandor realizes the EB has been detaining him, and things get ugly.)

As a complete aside, if Rhaegar's last ruby shows up, I hope Sandor finds it, as he's rather cash-poor at the moment.

[Jojen]

Crackpot theory: Rhaegar's rubies aren't rubies at all, but secret, bastard Targs, six of which have washed up on Quiet Isle since his death. Some are still there, some have gone elsewhere to prepare for retaking the Iron Throne.

It is known.

[Lord Commander Jaimie]

Lady Candace, on 12 January 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Maybe we can have a small hint though, similar to how we saw Sandor fighting in the Battle of Blackwater Bay through Davos' POV - riding onto a ship and kicking ass. However, I would expect it to be more hidden though. Just something like "the novice" or "the gravedigger" is seen fighting by the Prologue's POV, and if readers are paying attention, cool they'll get it. If not, in a later POV, BF/Sandor/whoever gets welcomed back into the main story.


Ahhh, the more I think about it, I would love for the QI to become the site of the Clegane brother smash match and/or valoquar vengeance.

Valonqar can mean brother of her champion, thus Sandor kills Cersei.

[Ludovica]

littlespider, on 13 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

My suspicion is that Dany will not land on the east coast of Westeros but rather at Casterly Rock on Tyrion's rec. The Rock will fall as an Astapor 2.0 (since Tyrion knows all the sewer systems). But this doesn't mean that another dragon won't show up on QI...

There's the prophecy Dany receives: " to go West, you must go East..."

[Ser Kevan of Stone Hedge]

I never considered the idea of the Blackfish washing up on the Quiet Isle.  It's a compelling thought, as he has to wash up somewhere, and things certainly tend to do so at the QI.  That being said,

Lummel, on 12 January 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

Quiet Isle is a location we saw in AFFC that I don't think we will visit again.

The Elder Brother and Septon Meribald have a role as the moral hinge of AFFC as the embodiment of  the rejection of the violence of the game of thrones that has lead to the destruction and horror that we experience in the preceding story.  The positive is that they represent the possibility of redemption, the downside is that's a possibility available to very few, perhaps just those who are flushed out of the world of conflict and wind up washed up on the back of beyond.

In short, no I don't subscribe to any of the above mentioned theories.

has the ring of truth to it, as much as I'd like to see more happen there.

[Teal'c]

Fire Eater, on 26 January 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

I don't think the Ironborn will raid the QI. They're on the other side of Westeros, and they're going to have to deal with Redwyne's fleet sailing up Whispering Sound. By sea, they'd have to get past Redwyne's Fleet and go past King's Landing, and by land and river they'd have to get past the riverlords carrying their longships by land, and in ACoK, they've shown that they don't have the discipline to hold against an armored charge.  

As for the septon who possibly married Rhaegar(who could have worn a hood to hide his identity) and Lyanna, I think that could have been Septon Meribald. Meribald has said that he has performed marriages when traveling from village to village and town to town. He is always on the move, making it harder to find him, and what are the chances of him remembering a random marriage out of the countless marriages he has performed. This makes him the perfect choice to perform a secret marriage for Rhaegar and Lyanna.

As for the QI, the novice turns out to be Sandor (well no shit) and he might follow Jaime to aid Sansa against UnGregor. He may die in the attempt prompting an emotional scene where Sansa cries over his dead body.

Or perhaps Rhaegar and Lyanna were married on QI.

[King Doug]

Teal, on 28 March 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Or perhaps Rhaegar and Lyanna were married on QI.

I've seen a few people say that maybe they were married on the Quiet Isle, or by Septon Meribald. This isn't possible though. Rhaegar was already married in the eyes of the Seven. Therefore, he would have to be married Northern style, in front of Weirwoods. Since the 'abduction' likely happened at Harrenhal, the marriage (if it happened) would have most likely happened on the Isle of Faces.

[Teal'c]

Lady Candace, on 12 January 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

Tyrek Lannister... oh wait he was only a squire.

Ser Raynald Westerling.
The Blackfish.


Another question is, who is the Elder Brother?

Jonothor Darry, one of the KG who was with Rhaegar at the Trident. And I think our high harp player is Rhaegar, actually.

[Dornish Hen]

I would like to see Arya wash up on the QI.  If she left from Saltpans, maybe her return voyage will take the same route.  Maybe her ship gets blown off course or something like that.  You now have a POV character on the Isle who would recognize the Gravedigger.  I'm not sure how her recognition of him would make him leave the Isle.

It's a stretch, I know.

[Currawong]

I've been wondering whether Sansa will end up on QI.

Obviously the fate of Brienne and Jaime is still up in the air at the end of ADWD, but their joint quest was still to find Sansa and keep her safe.  How "safe" is Sansa at present with LF?   Certainly debatable!   If by some means Brienne finds her and Sansa does manage to leave/escape LF, then the QI would be a good place of refuge.  Especially as Brienne has already been there and been welcomed and comforted by EB. Many people say they can't see the point of all Brienne's wanderings in AFFC, but GRRM wouldn't waste all that time just to show us how she gets revenge on a couple of BMs and portrays the plight of the common people.   So perhaps her visit to the QI and her quest for Sansa are ultimately linked in some way.

And of course, assuming that a certain nameless brother is Sandor, hding out on the QI could be very nice for the Sansa/Sandor shippers

ETA:   Would LF even think that Sansa would head for the QI, or would he assume she has been taken by the Lannisters, or has headed for any remaining Tully / northerner family, however distant?  And if Brienne were to stay with her and guard her - well, I wouldn't like to be an attacker coming up against Brienne + Sandor as Sansa's protectors.  

Edited by Currawong, 15 April 2012 - 04:00 PM.

[Leia]

Currawong, on 15 April 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

I've been wondering whether Sansa will end up on QI.
And of course, assuming that a certain nameless brother is Sandor, hding out on the QI could be very nice for the Sansa/Sandor shippers

Currawong, I like the way you're thinking

[squnchyTHEconchy]

Lady Candace, on 12 January 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

The Quiet Isle.

A place we have had a limited perspective on, only through a small section of Brienne's point of view. And yet, there seems to be more to the QI than it would appear at first. A popular second character is believed to be alive in secret on the isle, rubies from the late Prince Rhaegar's battle armor have been washing up there, a rusty head of a dragon, the Elder Brother who runs the isle began his second life there after washing up on the shore, and of course there is the geographic location.

The Quiet Isle sits just off the coast of the recently ravaged city of Saltpans in the stretch of water known as the Bay of Crabs. Physically it is between the regions of the Riverlands and the Vale of Arryn.

For such a small, calm place, there would seem to be a lot of buzz, is my point. Many have conjectured about certain items or characters coming to the Quiet Isle, and so I decided I'd open a topic about it. To begin, here are some small summaries of the theories I have seen. As we go on, I fully expect to see more

1. The Blackfish will wash up on or travel to the QI.

The last time we had heard of Brynden Tully, he had escaped out of Riverrun before it was taken over by Emmon Frey and the Lannister group. Due to this daring escape and the lack of information on his movements, it's easy to see why readers have many opinions on where he will next show up. Could it be that he comes to the Quiet Isle?

2. Jeyne Westerling.

Jeyne is a woman of much speculation, revolving mainly around is she pregnant by Robb, or not? Another is was she switched with a different girl at any point? Well, is it possible Jeyne is carrying a child, and might come to the QI for her confinement? It has been noted in text that women who are with child are accepted onto the island to be cared for.

3. Rhaegar's Rubies.

So far, only six rubies have washed up on the Quiet Isle. One might wonder about the seventh, as seven is such a sacred number in the story...

4. Syrio Forel.

Is alive, and serving on the QI.

5. Ser Raynald Westerling.

Is alive, and washed down the river all the way from the Twins. For a refresher on the character, see HERE.

Final --- I have seen it suggested that the Quiet Isle will be attacked by a raiding party of Ironborn.


So.
Do you buy any of these theories?
Have any of your own to share?
Go.

http://www.reddit.co...epton_meribald/ another

[squnchyTHEconchy]

it mentions quiet isles

[Juli]

Ok the EB fought on the Targ side...which of the KG's were there with Rhaegar?

[Viserys_The Transformed]

Quiet Isle is the place where God resides in this saga, I feel. I was soo happy and relieved while reading this chapter, and glad to have such a place in the story.