227 replies to this topic

[The King in the South]

Falrinn, on 26 January 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Well the weirdest moment for me would have to be the birth of the shadow-child under Storm's End.

I admit I am sort of looking forward to this episode in Season 2 of the series just to see if they can get Davos's reaction right.

I just remember reading "and suddenly dark hands began to push their way out of her bleeding vagina" or whatever ludicrous description George used and honestly putting the book down and looking at the wall for several minutes

[Noimporta]

The GreatRon, on 26 January 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Robert has 16 bastards that are suspected or known,  they all have black hair, blue eyes, and his features.

Bring forth Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen

Yet the only people who pick up on this are Jon Arryn and Eddard Stark.  I dunno I just find it kinda crazy, even more so that Robert didnt suspect anything.

A lot of people figured it out, it's just that Ned, Jon and Stannis were the only ones interested in it being revealed.

[ForeverBallin]

All the sex scenes are set up like pornos. They're not tasteless, but they're pretty damn ridiculous.

[Chelly]

Speaking of ridiculous sex scenes, Dany's first time with Drogo was absolutely absurd. "Yes". Whatever. What is even more absurd? All of a sudden he forgets this "tenderness" he was capable of in the first night and for a little while goes into rape mode. Their first time together, he was sort of concerned for her and attempted to please her and ease her into it. Then, BAM, he is going to take her whether she likes it or not. Did we miss something between their first time together and the next time he walks into their tent and pounds away on her not asking if she wants it or if she even likes it. I thought that was a little inconsistent, that's all. Then again, maybe it was just a contrivance to get that Dany/Doreah scene.

[ForeverBallin]

I guess he was emboldened

[Im With Stannis]

I always thought it was ridiculous that Robert went hunting at the most pivotal point in his rein. His first hand had been poisoned a few months earlier, his new one was maimed by the Lannisters. Catelyn was holding his queens brother as prisoner. It was all hitting the fan, and Robert decided to go hunting to "clear his mind."

Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk

[Sidonie]

I thought the Cersei and Taena sex scene was ridiculous. It just seemed like, why? Why would Cersei choose to pleasure Taena? It just seemed unlikely and contrived. Taena was already her BFF at that point in time....she wouldn't have had to sexually manipulate her or anything.

[It is known.]

Sidonie, on 26 January 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

I thought the Cersei and Taena sex scene was ridiculous. It just seemed like, why? Why would Cersei choose to pleasure Taena? It just seemed unlikely and contrived. Taena was already her BFF at that point in time....she wouldn't have had to sexually manipulate her or anything.

I don't think Cersei wanted to 'pleasure' Taena, I read it as Cersei wanting to be Robert and use someone the way she was used when he raped her.  Cersei's descriptions of 'goring' her definitely seem to imply she wanted to inflict pain.

[BigBenUmber83]

I think the whole Cersi/Taena thing was about power, control and trying to get over Jamie.  Taena was the only person Cersi was remotely close to at the time after falling out with Jamie, she was only sleeping with Osney Kettleblack to manipulate and Lancel had gone all weird and religous.  saying that it still does feel a little contrived.

[Chelly]

Sidonie, on 26 January 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

I thought the Cersei and Taena sex scene was ridiculous. It just seemed like, why? Why would Cersei choose to pleasure Taena? It just seemed unlikely and contrived. Taena was already her BFF at that point in time....she wouldn't have had to sexually manipulate her or anything.

I think Cersei was wondering what it felt like to be man and in total control since she always wished she were one.Yes, that was pretty bad, but not as bad as her pretending to be boar ripping through Taena. WTF? Let's not also forget, Myrish swamp. *Shudders*

For an embarrasing moment, I felt embarrased for Theon in ACoK, when he meets his father for the time in 10 years, he gets all prettied up and Balon mocks the shit out of him. Theon wears some choker thing he bought and he forgets that in Ironborn culture, men only wear gold or jewlelry if they killed the owner and only women wear jewelry that is bought. I was more embarassed by Theon's choice in fashion more than anything, though. I love you Theon but..really, Theon? A man choker? What the hell were you thinking?!

Edited by Chelly, 26 January 2012 - 08:09 PM.

[Shay Baratheon]

BigBenUmber83, on 26 January 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

I think the whole Cersi/Taena thing was about power, control and trying to get over Jamie.  Taena was the only person Cersi was remotely close to at the time after falling out with Jamie, she was only sleeping with Osney Kettleblack to manipulate and Lancel had gone all weird and religous.  saying that it still does feel a little contrived.

Personally I was sure Taena is just a mole of the Tyrells. The Royce girl who talked with Sansa on the way from the Eyrie to the castle below told Sansa that Riverrun was taken, but Dragonstone was not. As I understood it, Dragonstone fell before Riverrun, so I was sure Loras actually just took the Redwyne fleet and went off to fight the Iron Born, and everything was just a scam to quiet Cersei.


Anyway, regarding ridiculous moments: Indeed, I think the shadow demon was kind of a lazy way to get rid of Renly.. I too hate all the Meereen business, although did enjoy the crones "and one" bidding

* Biter eating Brinnie was kind of a shocker, what the hell is this psychotic creature :S
* Theon's scene of meeting Asha was hysterical, really enjoyed it
* Beric Dondarrion's resurrections are quite nuking the fridge, that Thoros of Myr dude got some skiilz, could teach a thing or two to   Melisandre..

[ViennaGirl]

Jon randomly saying "Winter's lady" to Alys Karstark as they're waiting for her wedding to start. Total non sequitor.

[ServantOnIce]

The GreatRon, on 26 January 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Robert has 16 bastards that are suspected or known,  they all have black hair, blue eyes, and his features.

Bring forth Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen

Yet the only people who pick up on this are Jon Arryn and Eddard Stark.  I dunno I just find it kinda crazy, even more so that Robert didnt suspect anything.

Maester Varys and Littlefinger also knew they were more "slick" than the rest also what made Jon Arryn start digging into this in the first place?

[The King in the South]

ServantOnIce, on 26 January 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Maester Varys and Littlefinger also knew they were more "slick" than the rest also what made Jon Arryn start digging into this in the first place?

Edric probably visited and he saw Joffrey and him stand next together. Would definetely give me suspicioins (judging by their descriptions)

[Noimporta]

IIRC Stannis went to him with that concern.

[Jeff_God_Of_Biscuits]

Catastrophe, on 22 January 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

All of the sex scenes that are meant to be gross and disturbing are written well, in that they definitely succeed at being gross and disturbing. The problem is with all of the sex scenes that are apparently meant to be "fun." Either they end up being unintentionally gross and disturbing too, or they're just plain silly and unrealistic. There are probably a few exceptions (though I can't think of any off the top of my head), but for the most part GRRM cannot write a good sex scene unless it's explicitly meant to horrify the reader.

Dany's wedding night springs to mind, one of the tv series changes that made good sense.  Not only was the tone incongruously tender up against the weeks of ruthless ploughing that followed, the writing was utterly squirmworthy

Edited by Jeff_God_Of_Biscuits, 27 January 2012 - 12:57 AM.

[Free Northman]

Regarding Jon.

Have you ever met some person in your life that just has an inner charisma or gravitas that makes you treat them differently from other people? Someone that you would do something for that you would only do one time in a thousand for another person?

Some people just have that quality. I've met people like that. Born leaders.  People that stand out in a crowd, not because they're good looking or physically noteworthy, but just because of some uncanny inner quality in their demanour.

I think charisma is the best way to describe it, but not the type of charisma that comes from being a good public speaker. Just an inner quality that defines someone who is a leader.

Jon clearly has that. And as a result, Mormont treated him like he would not have treated any other steward in a thousand years.

[David Selig]

Excuses, excuses. So many of the things that happen to Jon are ridiculous plot contrivances. The Halfhand needed to pick 4 of the best rangers in the NW for the dangerous scouting mission yet he picked a 16 year old boy who was completely green, first time ever on a mission north of the Wall, and not even a ranger. Serves him right that he was killed by Jon later since he was such a joke as a leader.

[Free Northman]

David Selig, on 27 January 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

Excuses, excuses. So many of the things that happen to Jon are ridiculous plot contrivances. The Halfhand needed to pick 4 of the best rangers in the NW for the dangerous scouting mission yet he picked a 16 year old boy who was completely green, first time ever on a mission north of the Wall, and not even a ranger. Serves him right that he was killed by Jon later since he was such a joke as a leader.

How did Alexander the Great achieve so much by the age of 25?

Or any other "great" person in history?

Jon is likely going to be the greatest man in 8000 years. Saving the world and all.

If he doesn't have inner qualities beyond that of the ordinary man then he could never hope to achieve all of that. And maybe these leaders saw those qualities in him, precisely BECAUSE they are good judges of character.

[David Selig]

Don't insult Alexander, please. Jon hasn't done anything comparable so far, his leadership has been so "great" his own men assassinated him after several months of it.  He needs someone to save him first before thinking of saving the world.

Besides, Alexander was the heir of a king and took the throne really young, which allowed him his early successes.