Elba the Intoner, on 21 February 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:
There were some interesting thoughts here. Thrice is right that the dream Sansa has of the riot is not like her normal dreams and she cries out for real, but, I myself believe that the aftereffects from the nightmare are more due simply to the fact that she is suffering from PTSD. The riot was extremely traumatic for her and I assume that PTSD involves nightmares which are much more physically demanding on your body than a simple bad dream as you replay the trauma over in your nightmare.
Regarding the discrepancy about Sansa sleeping naked in that scene but not in AGOT when Sandor pulls her out of the bed, I think it has to do with the fact that in AGOT, Sansa probably did not put herself to bed at that time. This is right after she sees Ned beheaded and she fainted from that. Someone must have carried her back to her room and gotten her into bed and undressed her down to her shift. I am guessing that Sansa did not get herself into whatever normal sleeping clothes, or non clothes, she usually sleeps in when she is forced out of bed by Joffrey and Sandor at the end of GOT.
What if it isn't outright PTSD but a memory of warging these people as it all happened? On the first point. Who remembers the riot scene inside out? I dont' have a book
Lollys was rapped (weren't her teeth smashed in too?)
Who was stabbed in that entourage repeatedly? If at all? (as this could be a description of the feeling of being raped by hundreds of men like lollys was)
Who had half their body missing? Was it the high septon that there wasn't much left of?
New crack pottery -
What if Sansa warged into someone who then died then so on and so forth? (as described by Varamyr on death you are thrown out of the dead body and in that crowd with no training was Sansa leaping from body to body? Is she experiencing everyone's assults/deaths again?
Caro99, on 21 February 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:
Thrice the Hound, your theory was very interesting. You backed it up pretty well, but i disagree because of the way Sandor behaves when they next meet in her bedroom. If he had sort of saved her from what you meant, then i can see him saying and doing other things, not “chatting” with her about why he wants to go away & such stuff... but i do believe that since the riot scene was very shocking for Sansa, then she had nightmares about this. And when she put two and two together(the hound saved me from getting what lollys got) then i can see why she would be particularly nice to him (?).
There is another thought to consider... which I am more inclined to assume outright. That Sansa is experiencing EXACTLY what happened to Lolly's in that dream. I fancy the idea that Sansa is warging all the time as you know (because she is a superwargmachine) in panic and unknowingly she may have warged into Lollys?
On the latter that may well be the case but we can't know for sure just how affected he would be by what he prevented. We saw his reaction on the roof when Sansa tried to thank him and tell him he was brave and instead he launched into this graphic speech about her father and what knights are really for not much different to him patting his sword and wanting to burn Tyrion and killing people who got in his way conversation in the bedroom. I think we have all established that Sandor does not know how to do tender and caring. Sandor's tender and caring is pull a knife and tell her to sing then cry over it.
speaking if what Thrice is saying is correct would GRRM give us more than this to figure it out? We have all wondered on numerous occasions where and if other "unreliable recollections" have occured why not this instance? (Aside from the fact that it is terrifying to consider?)
In respect to your last comment is it such a stretch to assume that this could be a shadow for Thrice's suggestion? That he saved her twice? Though he would have been a little late for the last one considering the moonwine part, but do you see my point?
I am leaning more to superwarging victims of the riot BTW.
EDIT - That all came across very snappy. Sorry, that wasn't my intention.
Edited by Solaris, 21 February 2012 - 11:11 PM.