King Beyond The Wall, on 04 March 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:
After reading the whole post I have some things in my mind I would like to share...
Firstly, in my eyes (as a reader who knows most than anyone living in Westeros ofcourse) Stannis is the lawfull heir after Robert, since Cersei's children are Jaime's and not Robert's, and Renly HAD to back his brother. Renly is an opportunist who saw an opening and rushed in to take the throne, despite the fact that he did not deserve it. He was an usurper, and he judged Stannis without giving him the chance to rule first.
Trouble is, there is no proof for any of that, and the inference that Renly owes loyalty to Stannis is all-out puzzling. Where would that come from?
Renly is of course entitled to disagree with Stannis' claim, as is anyone. It isn't safe
for him to do so, but neither is it possible to deny him his judgement.
This had nothing to do with Robert's rebelion (which in fact wasn't Robert's alone) which began after Aerys the MAD did what he did for so many years...
If so, doesn't it follow that the rightful heir is in fact Daenerys (as far as the Baratheons and Lannisters would know, anyway)?
How could Stannis justify his claim without deriving it from Robert's?
Secondly, Stannis was presented to us as a dutifull, strict, and honorable person.
In Davos' eyes, anyway. Then we hear Stannis' speeches in ACOK, ASOS and ADWD and we learn better.
Stannis is not Randyll Tarly, not by a very long shot.
One who once proposed to close all brothels in King's Landing, one who never opposed his older brother,
If he never opposed Robert than he is a fool. Robert was no avatar of wisdom, even if he was wiser than Stannis in this particular matter of the brothels.
even when he did him wrong by exiling him to Dragonstone.
no exile. Stannis was given Dragonstone but had no duty to remain there, and in fact lived in Dragonstone and participated of Robert's Small Council as Master of Ships. He prefered Storm's End, which ended up with Renly and was seen as an indication of successorship, but that is a far cry from being exiled.
What was done to Renly... I can only believe that he didn't know about it beforehand, and what he said about sleeping in his tent when the murder was done and that he saw it in a nightmare...I only hope it is true. But what he did at the castellan of Storm's End, there is no doubt he knew what was about to be done, since he asked Davos secretely to smuggle Mel under the walls... So Stannis has changed, it is a fact, and in my eyes to the worst....
Finally, as to the war ethics...I think we should not judge an other era's opinions and ethics according to our time's ones...
That is partially true. But as it turns out, it is by using today's criteria that people give Stannis far more leniency than he deserves.
I find it interesting that the TV series made Varys aware that Renly was killed by dark sorcery (as per a conversation between Varys and Tyrion in S2E09). Today's sensibilities have grown dull to the horror of his betray of Renly's trust.