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[Arataniello]

Please to continue.

I had an amusing bug last night.  Frequently when Kira got sent off on a tradeskills mission she would tell me to "Eat lightsaber, jerk!".

[Tobin]

I am almost hopeful that they'll open the UI code to the community for players to build their own customization features - like they did in WoW.
Bliz was pretty saavy in having the community do most of the footwork in design and coding for them - then sweeping in to do 'official' versions of the more popular mods.

I'd like a way to change the group panel so that my HP is showing as well - I died a few times because I was looking more at the group than my own health.

[Merrin]

Tobin, on 02 February 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

I am almost hopeful that they'll open the UI code to the community for players to build their own customization features - like they did in WoW.
Bliz was pretty saavy in having the community do most of the footwork in design and coding for them - then sweeping in to do 'official' versions of the more popular mods.

I'd like a way to change the group panel so that my HP is showing as well - I died a few times because I was looking more at the group than my own health.

That was always my problem when healing raids in WoW. Hey, things are going pretty well, my group's - CRAP. I didn't even think of that solution, just tried to pay more attention.

In other news, I'm off Taris (finally) and, wow, I love the IA storyline. I don't even mind the travel to go do things because I just imagine my character is on a mission to figure some of this shizz out.

[Lyanna Stark]

Yep, the group interface is definitely not suited to healing at all, and it's also suffering from the lack of custom ui mods for curing/dispelling/healing, CD timers, mouseover macros etc.

That's why I am sticking to DPS toons this time around FINALLY!! I've done TBC through Wrath and Cata all raid healing so my healing days are officially over and done with.

That said, it's probably just a matter of time before we get that sort of thing. My estimate is that it should come within 6 months or so in order to compete with WoW's Kung-Fu Panda patch.


Merrin,

Glad you are liking the IA story, I am really enjoying it too Just about got to Quesh yesterday before I had to pass out and my husband was actually with me when I did my first bit of the class quest there, and he was all 0.o, creepy!!

[Kosciuszko]

I really like the numbers, particularly after the absurd internet backlash against this game you can find places.

[Ferrum Aeternum]

Got my Guardian to 38 last night...surprisingly gained almost 2 levels on Quesh.  Still finding Guardian play much more suited to my playstyle than my poor Marauder who's been stuck at 47 for nearly 2 weeks.  Getting in plenty of group work with Heroics but been lazy about tanking Flashpoints lately.  I need to run the Jedi Prisoner one, which I've heard is a lot of fun.

Kosciuszko, on 02 February 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

I really like the numbers, particularly after the absurd internet backlash against this game you can find places.

Indeed, very encouraging for an MMO so shortly after launch.  Will nonetheless be awhile until the game makes money, but I think it'll prove critics wrong and do just that.

As to the army of detractors, they are indeed legion.  From my experience they fall into a few easy to spot categories - Bioware haters, graphics junkies (who probably have no business playing MMOs in the first place), and hardcore WoW players being overly defensive about a possible threat to their game's dominance.  I largely ignore all three.

Edited by Ser Helman Tallhart, 02 February 2012 - 11:25 AM.

[Tobin]

There are those who also foolishly bitch that there isn't enough content. The game just came out! WoW didn't have near the stuff it does now when it was first released, I know - I was there, I remember when it still got DARK in Azeroth.
People need to give the game time to grow before they /rage-quit.
Scratch that - I don't want those kinds of people in my game anyway.

[Shryke]

Merrin, on 02 February 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

That was always my problem when healing raids in WoW. Hey, things are going pretty well, my group's - CRAP. I didn't even think of that solution, just tried to pay more attention.

Good to know I'm not the only one. Thankfully, a Cata patch let you use the fancy new raid UI for 5 mans, which puts your health in the party area as well.

And that's how I finally stopped dying all the time while healing.

[Ferrum Aeternum]

Tobin, on 02 February 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

There are those who also foolishly bitch that there isn't enough content. The game just came out! WoW didn't have near the stuff it does now when it was first released, I know - I was there, I remember when it still got DARK in Azeroth.
People need to give the game time to grow before they /rage-quit.
Scratch that - I don't want those kinds of people in my game anyway.

Agreed on all counts.  

And there is plenty of leveling content, especially considering that the journey to max level is no walk in the park (certainly much less so than modern-day WoW, which is a complete joke).   My sister had never played a PC game more complicated than freaking Myst, and she had a toon to 85 in WoW within 2 months of first learning how to move her character around.  No challenge - no fun.

As to endgame content, TOR has tons more than WoW did at launch.  And besides, people are always going to bitch about endgame content, so that point is essentially moot.

[paddington]

I've not found a lack of content,  though I play alot I tend to play alot in a casual fashion (if that makes sense).  I am just about to start bonus series on Taris, which I ve really enjoyed.  I've got my crew skills ahead of the curve so I am concentrating on making the good stuff.  An I got my full set of lvl 40 pvp gear (I like the look) in the bank with tokens to spare.

I've also been making a tidy profit on the galatic market, all in all one happy bounty hunter .

[Ferrum Aeternum]

paddington, on 02 February 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

I've not found a lack of content,  though I play alot I tend to play alot in a casual fashion (if that makes sense).

Makes perfect sense because that's exactly what I do, heh.

I'm sure I spend a lot more time playing MMOs than some who have their toons in full progression gear with everything min/maxed, etc.  Different goals, I guess.

[Galactus]

RE: UI interface, my understanding is that they've said they'd rather not have it end up as "the guy with the right mods win" (or at least "mods make certain challenges trivial") WAR in some instances had that problem eg, with assist mods.

[Shryke]

Ser Helman Tallhart, on 02 February 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

As to endgame content, TOR has tons more than WoW did at launch.  And besides, people are always going to bitch about endgame content, so that point is essentially moot.

Too bad for TOR that WOW didn't launch a month ago then. People will compare a game to it's alternatives. This is the only sensible thing to do.

This game has the standard hate parade that you see from any new MMO, with bonuses for being made by EA and Bioware and involving Star Wars. At the same time, the game also has a legion of ardent fanboys for the exact same reason. Never have I seen so many people jump to the defense of a lack of expected MMO features or, even more hilariously, to defend issues as "feature, not bug/oversight/etc" that Bioware has themselves admitted are bugs or oversights or the like.

There's many legitimate complaints about the game, although many Bioware is at least already fixing. 1.2 is rolling out in a month or two I believe and depending on what's in it, that's a decent pace for new shit. Of course, at the same time, most of this shit is stuff that was supposed to be in for launch that ended up not making it because EA was intent on rushing the game out the door for the holidays.

All in all, it's good to see the game doing well.

[Cuellar]

I'm still L34 on my first character with a L13 alt, and haven't even started republic.  I can easily see this game keeping me entertained for a year with its current content, although I only play maybe 10 hours a week.

Casual gamers make up the bulk of MMORPG profit, and thankfully SWTOR is pretty casual friendly. It's not like in WoW where it is a bitch to go through content and enjoy it if you are way behind the leveling pack.  That's why WoW's leveling had to be easy, since it wasn't really enjoyable much past release.

The interesting thing about MMORPGs is that they definitely grow over time if they're popular. Like WoW didn't finish year 1 with 10 million subscribers... but added over time. SWTOR will end up doing the same. 3 years from now, they may have 10 million subs as well.

[Shryke]

Cuellar, on 02 February 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

I'm still L34 on my first character with a L13 alt, and haven't even started republic.  I can easily see this game keeping me entertained for a year with its current content, although I only play maybe 10 hours a week.

Casual gamers make up the bulk of MMORPG profit, and thankfully SWTOR is pretty casual friendly. It's not like in WoW where it is a bitch to go through content and enjoy it if you are way behind the leveling pack.  That's why WoW's leveling had to be easy, since it wasn't really enjoyable much past release.

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WoW's leveling content is virtually all solo and has been for awhile now. Being behind the leveling curve is utterly irrelevant.

[Lyanna Stark]

Shryke, on 02 February 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Too bad for TOR that WOW didn't launch a month ago then. People will compare a game to it's alternatives. This is the only sensible thing to do.

This is true, but at the same time, it shipped with a lot of the "core features" we have come to expect from WoW. Like battlegrounds (warzones), end game raids (I'd say the amount of raids are about on par with WoW MC time at least and more is on the go). None of that was even in WoW at launch. But as you say, if they keep at it with the bugs and add more features, I can't see a reason for it to fail really.

I also think where it wins is not necessarily at being more polished than WoW, but to add something fresh and a new sense of community that's just been gone in WoW for ages and ages.

Perhaps it's because of censorship, but I have seen next to no trolling in General chat in SWTOR either. Even tho I play on an RP server in WoW, the General chat trolling is just....awful. Whether in raid instances or Orgrimmar, it feels WoW is just shock full with lolbois, pre-teen muppets, trolls, whiny pvp gits and anal/dirge spammers.

SWTOR has so far been much nicer and more laid back without the hysterical overtones I have come to see as normal. It's a nice and refreshing change, even if I am now a super casual instead of a raider.

My SO is convinced SWTOR will do well since I have been a loyal Blizzard sub since X-mas 2005 but am now cancelled. I dunno, there is just something about it that is nice and welcoming. I haven't done anything but the occasional AV since Burning Crusade on the PvP side, more or less, since I thought it was just ridiculously tuned and certain classes were just much, much harder to get any mileage out of PvP than others, but now I am finding myself really enjoying the SWTOR PVP battles. And here I thought I was a totally lost cause. Instead it feels like the old UT days. People say "GG" after the match. I have even seen several "well done team" and no "OMG NOOBS U FAIL WTFFFFFffFFFFF!"

Edited by Lyanna Stark, 02 February 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[Shryke]

You are on an odd server. I've seen the same level of dickitude I've come to expect from MMOs. Not as bad as people claim WoW is, not as pure as people claim TOR is.

Although they have managed one spectacular feat, in that the TOR official boards are actually worse then WoW's.

Edited by Shryke, 02 February 2012 - 12:57 PM.

[TrueMetis]

Lore arguments are brutal. You haven't seen an internet argument until you've seen star wars nerds arguing over Wookie Jedi or what constitutes a Mandalorian.

[Lyanna Stark]

Well, I dunno, I have chars on two servers, one RP one PvE, one Empire, one Repub. On the RP one, the only thing you see in General is people selling items or wanting people for flash points or other PVE content. On the PvE server, they do the same but there is more "How do I do X?" and someone replies to it.

Seriously, no joke, I have no seen ANY trolling in General on either server. Sure, I don't spend my evenings in the Fleet on either server, but I spent a lot of time on Coruscant and on Dromund Kaas. I've seen discussions there about Sith warrior specs which got rather heated, some Bounty Hunter DPS vs tanking spec argument and what is more OP and also the classic "Why oh why can't I romance Khem Val?" but that's not really trolling per see.

TrueMetis, on 02 February 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Lore arguments are brutal. You haven't seen an internet argument until you've seen star wars nerds arguing over Wookie Jedi or what constitutes a Mandalorian.

Edited by Lyanna Stark, 02 February 2012 - 01:07 PM.

[paddington]

I've not seen a lot of general chat assclownery ethier.  I am on an EU RP server though so maybe a little isolated from it.

I am also quick to ignore people.  Frankly I hit ignore the moment someone even slighty gets on my nerves, I've little time for MMO asshats anymore.

I am enjoying this one though and I am not a big fan of ethier star wars, or recent bioware games.