Lizaveta Martell, on 18 March 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:
I think Doran had the same problem a lot of people on this forum generally have: they think Westeros is so much more important than Essos and Dany should be doing all she can to get there. Doran probably imagined that Dany was just dying to get the support of a major Westerosi house and that she was completely well versed in the whole history of the Martells and the Targaryens and where everyone's natural sympathies lie. Which might make sense if you are a person incapable of understanding another persons perspective.
Dany has never been to Westeros.
Dany is busy.
Dany has other priorities.
Essos is bigger, richer, more populous and generally more technologically advanced. If you had to pick one to conquer, you'd pick Essos too.
Dany believes what Mirri told her: she cannot have children. If she cannot have children, what is the point of reclaiming her dynastic throne? In her mind, she is the last Targaryen, not just the only one.
I think all of Quentyn and Doran's mistakes stem from this one: they assumed Dany was in this game so she could return to Westeros and restore her dynasty. Why would they need to convince her? Why would they expect her to be contemplating marriage to a Meereeneese native? I think they assumed there was no urgency, so they went with secrecy. After all, what else would a woman with 3 dragons, an army and a huge city be doing with her time but waiting to conquer Westeros?
Don't get me wrong, I love the Martells and Dorne. But they were short sided with this one and frankly, I think GRRM didn't really think it through.
You forget the most important thing: They failed to realize the dragons were far too small and untrained to be of use for war...even if Dany wanted to leave everything and go to Dorne, she couldn´t even put her dragons into a ship, much less ride them to battle. Doran and Quentyn behave as if they believed that Dany has Balerion, Vhagar and Meraxes with her, instead of three untamed pups.
And they should expect Dany to be suspicious; she has no reason to believe that anybody in Westeros has her best interest at heart (nobody ever helped her), and all reasons to expect a trap (she has suffered attempts on her life).
And anyways, they are expecting an orphaned homeless girl who has managed to become a queen (of an admittedly crappy kingdom, but still a queen) to leave behind all her gains and return to uncertainity. If Dany had been raised in court she would probably be happy to eschew Meeren for a chance to conquer the Iron Throne, but a girl raised as a poor exile would not be so fast to throw away her little kingdom for the chance of getting a bigger one, taking the risk of losing everything and becoming an exile again...
P.S.: Yes, Dorne is the less awful place of Westeros.
Edited by Ser Lepus, 02 April 2012 - 06:40 PM.