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[mor2]

A place that anyone can drop a word on good articles/edits that they liked or where helpful to them, bad articles that needs improvements and all the ugly you can find.


I'll start with the bad, I am the kind of guy, who ask the bad news first and give the good ones last   I hate House_Targaryen Article, I cant put my finger on the why... I just feel that it such a prominent article should be better, much better but I dont know how to improve it....
As for the good, I would like to give a shout to a new contributer User:Matt_2108 who have been rewriting, improving flow and mostly Ironing out many of my atrocities against the English language

[Scafloc]

I think we should drop the "historical Targaryens" and the "Targaryens in A Song of Ice and Fire" sections. These parts of the article (like most of it) were copied from wikipedia. At wikipedia there was a use for these parts; no individual pages were allowed so they were included in the article of the house.
Here a AWOIAF we have a separate article for each person so we do not need those lists. Not even for the navigation as we have a number of family trees for that.

Edited by Scafloc, 03 February 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[mor2]

I hoped to her from more members about their opinions on this and other pages, but you guys either shy or got used not visit the forum, in either case other than  Scafloc you guys left me hanging

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@Scafloc, I see you already removed the section, I kind of hoped that you wouldnt. I agree that usually we shouldnt repeat the same in articles (and we are repeating it in the Iron throne and Major events as well) as it makes it pointless and redundant. However I felt that her it was a very nice and short summary of the targ dynasty, which provide information that is not present in the rest of the article, maybe we should try to merge section of it with the time line? or something?  after all

Anyway, I think that the Downfall section is a good one, I would be interested to know what do you think we can do with the structure, Disputed Succession and Downfall seem to expand on the history, which is separated by customs and dragons and a list of the events  and that timeline seems just wrong. i really hope that someone who is not familiar with the Targs will try to read the page and share what his thoughts with the rest of us.

[Scafloc]

The list of names was not anything like a summary. It was simply a repeat of information already stated. For instance the information that is given with Aegon II and Rhaenyra is already mentioned in the History paragraph, the timeline and the separate paragraph of the Dance of the Dragons. And someone like Aerion is not relevant for a history of the Targs. He could be mentioned in the traits and customs though.

How about a new division:

• Traits and customs, including the dragons and brother - sister marriages
  
• History before the Conquest & Conquest
  
• Rebellion of the Faith, Jaehaerys
  
• Viserys; marriages and Dance of the Dragons, Aegon III
  
• Conquest of Dorne, Daeron, Baelor & Viserys II
  
• Aegon IV, Daeron II and the Blackfyre rebellion
  
• Great Council (refer to the Great Spring Sickness that took the life of a number of Targ princes), Aegon V, War of the Ninepenny Kings, Summerhal
  
• Downfall

[mor2]

I think that taking out the Traits and costumes is wise, as for the rest IMO we need to word it from house Targaryen perspective (as opposed to the Iron_Throne one).

[mor2]

Some shout out for some of the still red contributors, among others I see that 'Arthur88' have been continually working on improving our chapter summaries(you know I have weakness for that), 'Ser Aeron Connel' made nice updated to Targ pages and 'Gdshaffer' won me with a very nice Sansa_Stark rewrite

Edited by mor2, 18 February 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[Ser Greguh]

Thanks, gdshaffer is me.  I'd list the pages I don't quite think are up to snuff but I actually tend to just rewrite them .  Mostly I just find that some of the major characters' pages have considerably less detail than some others do or than I like.  The Sansa article is about the level that I shoot for, I'm fairly happy with it at the moment.  Let me know if that's more detail than we want.

[mor2]

I doubt that there is a thing as too much detail I agree that some major articles are missing allot of info and could be improved. The reason that some articles are lacking is because of "lack of interest" on part of the editors, we all tend to work on topics that interest us the most at the moment(I really want to finish the wars) and thus some articles are sometimes neglected especially if they dont play big parts in the recent books. Which is why lately I have been going over some of our major articles and adding info and improving them where it can, eventually it all comes down to the community the more people want to help out the better the content we all get.  I also hoped people will take the initiative with featured article section, since I think that this is a great way to focus our efforts and cooperate on various entries.

Btw, speaking of Sansa, I have added a few(I don want add more to avoid clutter) images to the article, which in my opinion reflect nicely her loss of innocence and leaving behind her tales of knights, ladies and courts

Edited by mor2, 20 February 2012 - 04:10 PM.

[mor2]

A edit by Ser Aeron Connel‎, one of many nice edits brings the War_of_the_Five_Kings article closer to feature status. I think it still missing some info for the later sections and we add a section expanding on the forces at play i.e. the belligerents.


EDIT:
Can anyone make a "vector" map for the Conflict_Beyond_the_Wall ?

Edited by mor2, 24 April 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[Lyanna Stark]

Have never edited Wiki articles so not sure I should, but a couple of things struck me about Catelyn Tully's wiki site:

This is stated under "Appearance and Character": Nevertheless, Catelyn is also a fiercely protective woman and more often than not follows her heart rather than her head, especially when it come to he family which she deep love. This seems to be a rather strange statement considering the "more often than not" since Cat definitely doesn't follow her heart over her head most often than not. She's super controlled and does what she thinks is her duty. It also contains a grammar error "which she deep love", it should probably be "which she loves deeply".

Under "Hsitory" more really poor grammar and spelling:

When Brandon came to Riverrun to meet with Catelyn, young Petyr challenged him to a duel for her hand. Brandon won handily, but spared Baelish's life in compliance with Catelyn's plea, he was later sent back home, he sent a single letter after Brandon's death, but she brned it without reading it.

There's also further dodgy grammar in this bit: Her son Robb having marched south with his father's bannermen in response to Lord Eddard's arrest in King's Landing, she met up with House Manderly's levies and met the northern host in the field at Moat Cailin, accompanied by her uncle Ser Brynden Tully, who had quit his service to House Arryn, disgusted by Lysa's refusal to help against the Lannisters.

In the ASOS bit it says: Catelyn's wounds only partially healed, leaving her mutilated and without the ability to speak. but we know from AFFC that she can speak, albeit with difficulty.


Also perhaps a bone of personal contention: She is described as beautiful(even after giving birth to five children) with auburn hair, blue eyes, and long fingers. I find this quite offensive to mothers actually, as if having children is mutually exclusive with keeping any sort of beauty.

Edited by Lyanna Stark, 12 June 2012 - 04:35 AM.

[Daughter of the Morning]

I've been reading often from the Wiki lately, and I've been wondering - how do you edit the family trees? For instance, Gerion Lannister is listed as "Deceased" when it should be (for clarity purposes) "Presumed deceased".

The grammar in the "Did you know" section leaves alot to be desired, and the facts should just be stated without the article and without a question mark at the end, e.g: That Ellaria Sand, the paramour of Oberyn Martell is the natural daughter of Lord Harmen Uller. Should be Ellaria Sand, the paramour of Oberyn Martell is the natural daughter of Lord Harmen Uller

I know I'm being iffy, but the little things make a difference. Furthermore, some of the facts are not 'little known' at all.

I'm also unsure about how much information should go into one article - for instance Dunk's article reads as a summary of the three stories, and isn't simply about who Dunk is. And if you search for "Ser Duncan the Tall" the Wiki doesn't redirect to Dunk.

I'm going on a re-read project soon, hopefully I can get around to some editing once I've brushed up on my Westerosi history.

Edited by Daughter of the Morning, 22 June 2012 - 04:11 PM.

[bloodymime]

On the entry for the Dreadfort it talks about how it sits on a volcanic vent. No citation is given and searching online only brings up results of the exact same phrase making me think people are simply using the wiki as their reference. Anybody know how that idea got started?

http://awoiaf.wester...x.php/Dreadfort

[samparker]

i dont know....