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[Xray the Enforcer]

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Edited by Xray the Enforcer, 04 February 2012 - 06:55 AM.

[Drinking Cersei's Tears]

Re-reading (well, listening to Roy Dotrice) ACOK... how did Jaquen know Arya's real identity?  At this point only Gendry knew, with Yoren dead.

[LifeRuiner]

Has it ever been explained why the stones of prison cells under the Dragonstone are so warm?

(It is remarked in ASoS by Davos while he is held prisoner there. I'm fascinated by the secrets of that place!)

[LifeRuiner]

Matt 2108, on 04 February 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Re-reading (well, listening to Roy Dotrice) ACOK... how did Jaquen know Arya's real identity?  At this point only Gendry knew, with Yoren dead.

There is a theory that Jaqen is the same man who called himself Syrio Forel.

Edited by LifeRuiner, 04 February 2012 - 06:24 PM.

[The Shadowbinder]

LifeRuiner, on 04 February 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Has it ever been explained why the stones of prison cells under the Dragonstone are so warm?

(It is remarked in ASoS by Davos while he is held prisoner there. I'm fascinated by the secrets of that place!)

Geothermal activity from the active volcanoe (Dragonmount) on Dragonstone I believe.

[LifeRuiner]

The Shadowbinder, on 04 February 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

Geothermal activity from the active volcanoe (Dragonmount) on Dragonstone I believe.

Thank you! I've been wondering if there was a rational canon explanation.

[Revan Baratheon]

How did Barristan guess that the tattered prince wants pentos?

[Cap Ou Pas Cap]

Matt 2108, on 04 February 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Re-reading (well, listening to Roy Dotrice) ACOK... how did Jaquen know Arya's real identity?  At this point only Gendry knew, with Yoren dead.

I got the impression that he heard her praying to the weirwood trees about her father. After reading your question went back and read it again. Now I am way less sure of it, because it is not clear what words she said out loud and what words were said in her head, but it is still a possibility. Or he could have pieced little things together. Her reaction when Cersei's knights appeared looking for someone, her evening prayers, her sword, her naming herself "Arry" (when riding with Gregor he surely have heard about Arya Stark). And he was trained to notice things.

Edited by Cap Ou Pas Cap, 05 February 2012 - 01:37 AM.

[ghost the direwolf]

Hye, could someone refer me to the forum page about" mance and mel plan at winterfell"  i want to find out people opinions about why mel really  sent mance to winterfell. I was not able to find it when i did my search . thanks for your help.

[Lady Blackfyre]

Matt 2108, on 04 February 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Re-reading (well, listening to Roy Dotrice) ACOK... how did Jaquen know Arya's real identity?  At this point only Gendry knew, with Yoren dead.

My guess is that Jaqen overheard Arya and Gendry talking in the armory, before she went to the godswood that night. He could have been following her around, waiting for a chance to talk to her alone.

[Helyn Snow]

I'm re-reading AGOT at the moment, and I think it has been mentioned in another post about the silly things that happen in the books, when someone mentioned why didn't anyone realise before Jon Arryn did that these were not King Bob's kids.

Anyway, following on from this, when Ned is investigating Jon Arryn's death, he sees two of King Bob's bastards and recalls Mya Stone's birth as well. Why didn't he cotton on then by their colouring? Why did he have to have a book spell it out to him?

Edited by joanna snow, 05 February 2012 - 11:20 AM.

[Helyn Snow]

LifeRuiner, on 04 February 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

There is a theory that Jaqen is the same man who called himself Syrio Forel.

And that's another thing I don't get - why do people believe that there's only Braavosi guy kicking about in the whole of Westeros? It's the same with the alchemist in the prologue to AFFC, people believe that's also Jaqen H'Gar. I might be missing something, but surely there are more than one FM with a hit list in Westeros.

[Wightman]

joanna snow, on 05 February 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

I'm re-reading AGOT at the moment, and I think it has been mentioned in another post about the silly things that happen in the books, when someone mentioned why didn't anyone realise before Jon Arryn did that these were not King Bob's kids.

Anyway, following on from this, when Ned is investigating Jon Arryn's death, he sees two of King Bob's bastards and recalls Mya Stone's birth as well. Why didn't he cotton on then by their colouring? Why did he have to have a book spell it out to him?

I think there's a big difference in thinking most of his children having a certain trait (at this point he still believes Joff, Tomm and Myrcella to be Robert's), than reading in a book that it's always been that way throughout history.

[Helyn Snow]

Wightman, on 05 February 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

I think there's a big difference in thinking most of his children having a certain trait (at this point he still believes Joff, Tomm and Myrcella to be Robert's), than reading in a book that it's always been that way throughout history.

Oh, okay, you're probably right and I suppose concluding this earlier on would have been hampered by someone like Ned Stark doing the investigating.

[Corvinus]

joanna snow, on 05 February 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

And that's another thing I don't get - why do people believe that there's only Braavosi guy kicking about in the whole of Westeros? It's the same with the alchemist in the prologue to AFFC, people believe that's also Jaqen H'Gar. I might be missing something, but surely there are more than one FM with a hit list in Westeros.

I don't know about Syrio Forel, but if you carefully read the description of the alchemist in the AFFC prologue and the description of the face Jaquen takes when he leaves Arya, they are very similar.

[ghost the direwolf]

Is ghost mute? if yes how did he make Jon hear him in the 1st chapof GoT

[Lebronn Jaime]

ghost the direwolf, on 05 February 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Is ghost mute? if yes how did he make Jon hear him in the 1st chapof GoT

He's mute from our perspective. We've never read about him making any sound. You can speculate as to what Jon "heard" or thought he heard. I imagine there's a thread about it somewhere.

[Helyn Snow]

Corvinus, on 05 February 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

I don't know about Syrio Forel, but if you carefully read the description of the alchemist in the AFFC prologue and the description of the face Jaquen takes when he leaves Arya, they are very similar.

Cool, I knew it was possibly me missing something. I will make sure I pay more attention when I get to my AFFC reread.

[Ghost714]

Corvinus, on 05 February 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

I don't know about Syrio Forel, but if you carefully read the description of the alchemist in the AFFC prologue and the description of the face Jaquen takes when he leaves Arya, they are very similar.

Yes and GRRM is good at making minor charecters reappear through out the books. With all the hype we get from Jaqen H'ghar in ACoK, it would be pretty anticlimactic if he were to never appear in the books again. I personally think, that it is way cool(er) if it was Jaqen H'ghar in Oldtown, opposed to some random FM that we have not met. With the assumption that it was Jaqen H'ghar, it gives that much more depth, into what happened in Oldtown with Pate. I personally feel more interested/invested in that prologue chapter, believing it was Jaqen.

[Zombie Coldhands]

Some small questions:

Who is the "bastard" that Varys mentions to Illyrio in the conversation Arya overhears in the dragonskull room ?

"Yet Lord Stark's the one who troubles my sleep. He has the bastard, he has the book, and soon enough he'll have the truth"

Some supporting evidence to R+L=J, or simply a mention of Gendry ?

How can the mountain clans remain independent from any lord? Where did they come from ?