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[Rapsie]

Woman of War, on 26 February 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

Sam and Gilly are certainly brushing clichés in the wrong direction, that's what I like in it. This  is what Martin does in fact: He doesn't try to write cliché free but uses clichés, wraps ans unwraps them, chops and reconstructs them. Every character is cliché plus much more or sometimes less extra.

Unpopular guy gets the girl: it is a cliche

Woman of War, on 26 February 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

The characters are described as living, breathing people who have hot or dark sex (I love well written sex scenes) and may even fall in love but I want them to be complete personalities who have a purpose in a storyline, not projection screens for infatuation. They are not me, I feel no need to justify their lovelife and it has nothing to to with myself. And, first of all, speculation about future pairings is entertaining but pointless because Martin will decide it.

I think we all know that the characters aren't ourselves. I am quite looking forward to seeing Ramsay and Walder Frey meet their ends, but that doesn't mean I am vicariously living out some desire to kill people! Similarly people like the idea of the possible romances, but that doesn't mean they are vicariously living out that romance.

GRRM will decide everything that happens in the books. What is so different from looking at the possible romance angle as opposed to whether or not Stoneheart kills Jaime or if Jaime is Cersei's Valquanor?It's of interest to analyse because it is part of the story.

Also well written sex scenes are not exactly common in ASOIAF: fat pink mast anyone?

[littlespider]

Yeah, it's a bad idea to assume that people who like a particular ship are projecting any of their own desires. Sometimes that happens, but just as often not. I have a fetish for bald dudes with no sense of humor, but I don't ship Stannis/Tywin or anything...

As for romance, I think there are a couple of relationships that the text seems to be setting up for the future. Jaime and Brienne is one, though it will probably end in complete disaster. San x 2 is another, ditto disaster. These are aight, I guess, depending on how Martin decides to do it. I also like Sansa/Pod and Tyrion/Penny (hate on, haters).

But I think there is one true Great Love Story in this series that nobody's acknowledged yet -- I think, because I was drunk when I skimmed through this thread. This relationship has been set up since the very beginning of the books, and we know both of these characters are holding onto strong feelings for each other.

I'm talking about Littlefinger and Cat, of course. Think about it. This poor guy held a torch for her for his whole life, and basically got screwed over by her family the entire time. Now Cat has also suffered, and I think is finally -- FINALLY -- in a position to appreciate LF for what he truly is. They're going to meet up in the next book. This is going to be the most uplifting reunion of the whole series! Like, even better than a Stark reunion.

LF: I love you, Cat. I even saved your daught-
Cat: *gurghhhh*
LF: What are you doing? Don't you love me?
Cat: *ghhuuuurr mmmuggghhhh*
LF: WTF? She just tied my dick in a knot! FUCK. Let me go bitch!
CAt: *gghhhhuuu muuuhhhh uuuhhhh*
LF: Help! Fuck it hurts! Sombody help me!
Lem: *snickers*
Thoros: *snickers*
Cat: *gghhuuuu muuuuuhh uuuhhh kuhssss*
LF: SHE'S EATING MY FACE YOU FUCKERS HELP ME PLZ. What is she even saying?
Lem: She's saying "give me a kiss" you rat's arse.
Cat: *om nom nom nom nom nom*

FIN

[Maroucia]

Arya Targaryen, on 04 February 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

I know I am sort of alone, but I want Jon/Arya. A few years later.

Lyanna Mormont /Rickon
Sam/Gilly
Mance/? - I just want him to be happy
Jaime/Brienne
Sansa/Aegon?

And a random couple:
Iron Emmet/Val

Dany/ I don't really care. Not Jon.

WHAT!??
That’s gross! They are half brother and sister!!!
I have two half brothers myself, and believe me, they are MY BOTHERS all the same, a half does not change this! I would never in a million years sleep with any of them, EEWWW!!!!

Edited by Maroucia, 27 February 2012 - 01:35 PM.

[Gingerly Grumkin]

No! not Sansa the pretty and Aegon the gallant, thats lame and sounds like Sansa's stupid songs
Here is the love of ASOIAF
LF loves Sansa
Mel loves Stannis
Devan loves Mel
Brienne and Jaime love each other

[It is known.]

Maroucia, on 27 February 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

WHAT!??
That’s gross! They are half brother and sister!!!
I have two half brothers myself, and believe me, they are MY BOTHERS all the same, a half does not change this! I would never in a million years sleep with any of them, EEWWW!!!!

They're possibly going on the assumption that R + L = J, and that Arya and Jon are cousins, which (by Westerosi standards) would be acceptable.  I still don't like them being shipped though, they grew up as though they were brother and sister, finding out they're cousins won't suddenly change the relationship from a platonic sibling relationship to a romantic one  

Edited by It is known., 27 February 2012 - 05:22 PM.

[Dark Rider]

Tyrion will never go for Penny are you kidding me?  She is annoying to him and although he has great sympathy for her I don't think he could stand her at the table for supper every day for the rest of his life.

Look, Tryion and Sansa are married. They took their vows and she is his wife.  Any wedding LF brokers with Sansa she'll only be able to get out of if Tyrion comes to her rescue and can say "that subsequent marriage is null and void, because she was married to me when she said the vows."  The Vale practices the Faith of the Seven I believe so that should work fine.  Plus, at some point when the dust settles the wounds of the realm MUST be healed between House Lannister and House Stark.  The only way I see those two houses maintaining any stability is if Tyrion and Sansa are man and wife.

Plus, I think Tyrion's going to save Sansa from Little Finger and maybe the Others as well.  Tyrion's not bad in a fight and I think he's going to be that knight to rescue her she's been waiting for.

[Renly's Peach]

To be frank, while Jon/Ygritte was one of the few truly canon pairings that had a mutual romantic synergy, I found them to be dull as dishwater.

As far as pairings go, I'm currently digging the "Jon Connington/Rhaegar Targaryen: An unrequited bromance for the ages" that GRRM seems to have alluded to in the last book. Oh yeahhh.

Also, I super-secretly ship Grenn/Pyp, but that's just me being crazy.

[Dark Rider]

Man, I thought Jon/Ygritte was excellent. Anyone who has been in love that first time should have been able to ID with that one.  Only part of the whole series that made me almost cry and I might have if I was capable of tears.

[littlespider]

Dark Rider, on 27 February 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Look, Tryion and Sansa are married. They took their vows and she is his wife.  Any wedding LF brokers with Sansa she'll only be able to get out of if Tyrion comes to her rescue and can say "that subsequent marriage is null and void, because she was married to me when she said the vows."  The Vale practices the Faith of the Seven I believe so that should work fine.  Plus, at some point when the dust settles the wounds of the realm MUST be healed between House Lannister and House Stark.  The only way I see those two houses maintaining any stability is if Tyrion and Sansa are man and wife.

Plus, I think Tyrion's going to save Sansa from Little Finger and maybe the Others as well.  Tyrion's not bad in a fight and I think he's going to be that knight to rescue her she's been waiting for.

POST OF THE YEAR.

[Renly's Peach]

To be honest, I found them to be unbelievably predictable and lacking in true chemistry. But that's just me. *shrug*

[Rapsie]

Dark Rider, on 27 February 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Tyrion will never go for Penny are you kidding me?  She is annoying to him and although he has great sympathy for her I don't think he could stand her at the table for supper every day for the rest of his life.

You are right, Tyrion would never go for Penny (a girl who is interested in him) because she is a dwarf and not stunning as he expects is his due.

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Look, Tryion and Sansa are married. They took their vows and she is his wife.  Any wedding LF brokers with Sansa she'll only be able to get out of if Tyrion comes to her rescue and can say "that subsequent marriage is null and void, because she was married to me when she said the vows."  The Vale practices the Faith of the Seven I believe so that should work fine.  Plus, at some point when the dust settles the wounds of the realm MUST be healed between House Lannister and House Stark.  The only way I see those two houses maintaining any stability is if Tyrion and Sansa are man and wife.

Yeah, or LF could call for a Council of the Faith, or the High Septon could annul it.

How would that heal anything? The remaining Lannisters hate Tyrion for killing Tywin and are not going to look favourably on Sansa as she is suspected of being part of a plot to murder Joff. Half the remaining Lannisters are married to Freys. No one in the North will accept the match (by the looks of it Robb might have disinherited her because of it). Also when have marriages between warring families in Westeros worked? The Blackwoods and the Brackens are completely intermarried and still fight each other.

Saying that GRRM will probably keep them together.

[Maroucia]

Dark Rider, on 27 February 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Tyrion will never go for Penny are you kidding me?  She is annoying to him and although he has great sympathy for her I don't think he could stand her at the table for supper every day for the rest of his life.

Look, Tryion and Sansa are married. They took their vows and she is his wife.  Any wedding LF brokers with Sansa she'll only be able to get out of if Tyrion comes to her rescue and can say "that subsequent marriage is null and void, because she was married to me when she said the vows."  The Vale practices the Faith of the Seven I believe so that should work fine.  Plus, at some point when the dust settles the wounds of the realm MUST be healed between House Lannister and House Stark.  The only way I see those two houses maintaining any stability is if Tyrion and Sansa are man and wife.

Plus, I think Tyrion's going to save Sansa from Little Finger and maybe the Others as well.  Tyrion's not bad in a fight and I think he's going to be that knight to rescue her she's been waiting for.

I really don’t see them staying together. Sansa is repulsed by Tyron and Tyron have no love for her. He didn’t hate her, he cared for her in some sort of a way, but that’s it. I know weddings are not made for love in Westeros but I don’t think that when Tyron returns he is going to claim back Sansa. I would think they would cancel the wedding; which could be done because of non consummation, as they did it for Margery and Renly.
One thing sure, running to Sansa won’t be Tyron first move if he comes back home.

[Snowdragon]

Jon and Dany, of course, hate on it if you want to.  I don't trust anyone with her because mostly everyone around her is completely triflin and ridic.  Or she can become a lesbian and end up with Sansa.  However, even though Dany is one of my fav characters, I actually want her to die, since I know GRRM never wants his characters to be happy.

[voodooqueen126]

ElizaMartell, on 07 February 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Sansa/Happiness and Sansa/A Stretch of peace are the only things I ship her with. Though out of the whole list, Littlefinger gives me the biggest creeps.

Littlefinger is Humbert Humbert

[the Scorpion Knight]

Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 27 February 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

LF loves Sansa

I completly disagree this isn't love it'sunhealthy lust after her looks

[David Selig]

Sansa and Tyrion's marriage won't be healing anything politically, it's really naive to think so, there's too much hatred between the two families and their supporters, not to mention that Tyrion is a condemned Kin(g)slayer in exile. And there's zero romance between them, so they don't belong in this thread.

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Plus, I think Tyrion's going to save Sansa from Little Finger and maybe the Others as well. Tyrion's not bad in a fight and I think he's going to be that knight to rescue her she's been waiting for.

Only the worst kind of hacks would write something so ridiculous. And even they might balk at writing how the  stunted dwarf becomes a super badass, defeats the Others's hordes with his mighty axe to save his wife, and then they lived happily ever after.

Edited by David Selig, 28 February 2012 - 07:59 AM.

[Queen Cersei I]

A Time for Wolves, on 11 February 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

Remember the sole Jaime chapter from ADWD?

A whore asks Jaime what he wants in a woman, and he replies, "Innocence." Replace "A whore" with "Cersei" and "Innocence" with "Brienne" and you have Jaime's romantic arc right there.

I agree that right now Jaime and Brienne are experiencing a platonic love, and I don't want them to sleep together, but I do want to see a few tender exchanges plz.

Alas, I would bet my life that Cersei is going to end up killing Brienne in a fit of rage after Jaime returns to find her (Cersei) having killed and tortured Lancel, the high septon, Kevan's entire innocent family (Oh, Dorna!), and the vast majority of Kings Landing. And then she's going to kill the poor, noble Brienne.

Come on, after the walk, roughly 2 percent or so of viewers have experienced some fleeting pity for her. This situation must be rectified, stat, which makes me suspect that, in addition to the gratuitously described, senseless murder of thousands, Cersei is going to be murdering her some Maid of Tarth in the future.

[Nausicaä]

Queen Cersei I, on 01 March 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Alas, I would bet my life that Cersei is going to end up killing Brienne in a fit of rage after Jaime returns to find her (Cersei) having killed and tortured Lancel, the high septon, Kevan's entire innocent family (Oh, Dorna!), and the vast majority of Kings Landing. And then she's going to kill the poor, noble Brienne.

Come on, after the walk, roughly 2 percent or so of viewers have experienced some fleeting pity for her. This situation must be rectified, stat, which makes me suspect that, in addition to the gratuitously described, senseless murder of thousands, Cersei is going to be murdering her some Maid of Tarth in the future.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. Cersei has a much of a chance of killing Brienne as she has of killing Sansa. How do you believe she'll do it exactly? Try to stab her? Brienne could kick her Lannister ass any day and wouldn't let her guard down around her. Poison her? She'd never have the opportunity. Unleash Robert on her? Perhaps Brienne wouldn't be able to kill him all by herself, but she is one of the few characters in the series that could engage him in a fight without being killed right away. And what's Jaime supposed to be doing in all of this, inspecting Littlefinger's tapestries until it's time for him to walk on Cersei cackling over Brienne's cold body?

[Christina Ceriddwynn]

Sansa remaining wedded to Tyrion...

I think I just threw up in my mouth

[KhaleesiDany]

I sail more ships than the ironborn

and they are ALL ROMANTIC

Lyanna/Rhaegar original best couple. very romantic story i can see why it comes up again and again.
sansa/sandor i know they had their chance and missed it. They will have another chance!! please GRRM ;_;
Jon/Dany ice and fire? right? right?
Jon/Arya possible to sail two ships at once? hm, maybe combine to Jon/Dany/Arya...
Bran/Meera i don't know if they can consummate it once they're old enough but they'll work something out
Robb/Margaery Coulda Woulda Shoulda
Littlefinger/Cat Stay away from Sansa!! And you know it's true love if he still wants her after ASoS...
Tyrion/Tysha they can move past the whole gang rape thing
Bronn/Lollys she's all he ever wanted in a woman
Brienne/Renly get away Jaime! Go back to Cersei!
But I don't ship Jaime/Cersei, because that's gross.
oh, and
Oberyn/Ellaria has no one said this yet? Okay so most of these ships are wishful thinking, but I actually think these two are a power couple and loved reading about them. Don't you get the impression they have the most awesome sex EVER??