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[ForeverBallin]

Of course we know their weakness, the eye, but how do you suppose one could land a mortal strike here?

[The Swaggering Bravo]

Of course, they aren't invincible and they die just the same as any other living being. That spear-melting effect Drogon demonstrated was pretty damn cool though, he could just fly over the battlefield and have molten metal slough off onto his enemies' heads. I think that they are a crucial role in keeping Dany's power, but this is mostly in name and not in combat prowess....yet. Give them a few years and you'll have the Field of Fire Part 2.

[Carey Snow]

I believe that we will witness a dragon death or three before this series is over.

[Fire Eater]

To kill a dragon, one would have to put a spear or lance through the dragon's eye to the brain behind them.

[gramblor]

I think that Tyrion (or Selmy) even notes that the dragons can be taken down by piercing their wings with scorpions to take them out of the air. They are by no means indestructable, but when they are trained and tamed they would prove difficult to down

[The King in the South]

Just make a mirror shield, ezpz

[Adriananana]

if they can jam a longsword or a spear far enough into the eye to reach the brain? ... if they can get close enough without getting torched

OMG DOES THAT MEAN ONE OF THE DRAGONS (Targs) WILL KILL THE DRAGONS?!

[Apple Martini]

ForeverBallin, on 04 February 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Of course we know their weakness, the eye, but how do you suppose one could land a mortal strike here?

Bear in mind that the guy who wrote about dragonlore and how to kill a dragon, Septon Barth, was a Hand of the King lifted up out of common obscurity by Jaehaerys I. I think there's a fine line between actual information about how to kill a dragon and promoting Targ family propaganda.

Think about it: If you had a vested interest in the Targaryen dynasty, would you give away the secrets to killing their fire-breathing monsters that are, at the end of the day, the main source of their authority? On the other hand, if you want to preserve the monster mystique and discourage possible upstarts, why not write extensively about how hard dragons are to kill?

In any case, there must be some way to get it done, seeing as most of them were apparently killed during the Dance of the Dragons.

Edited by Apple Martini, 04 February 2012 - 11:26 PM.

[The Swaggering Bravo]

Apple Martini, on 04 February 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

Bear in mind that the guy who wrote about dragonlore and how to kill a dragon, Septon Barth, was a Hand of the King lifted up out of common obscurity by Jaehaerys I. I think there's a fine line between actual information about how to kill a dragon and promoting Targ family propaganda.

Think about it: If you had a vested interest in the Targaryen dynasty, would you give away the secrets to killing their fire-breathing monsters that are, at the end of the day, the main source of their authority? On the other hand, if you want to preserve the monster mystique and discourage possible upstarts, why not write extensively about how hard dragons are to kill?

In any case, there must be some way to get it done, seeing as most of them were apparently killed during the Dance of the Dragons.

Yes, but in that civil war, it was dragon against dragon, since there are no dragons left to oppose them, that makes their killing a shade more difficult. Especially if what you said was true and that the eye as the weak spot being BS. And from what I've read about, the only detailed deaths of dragons were by old age (Balerion for example) or by another enemy dragon. Of course, this being a fantasy, there must have been a few dragonslayers, just none specified.

[The King in the South]

Rand Sand, on 04 February 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

Yes, but in that civil war, it was dragon against dragon, since there are no dragons left to oppose them, that makes their killing a shade more difficult. Especially if what you said was true and that the eye as the weak spot being BS. And from what I've read about, the only detailed deaths of dragons were by old age (Balerion for example) or by another enemy dragon. Of course, this being a fantasy, there must have been a few dragonslayers, just none specified.

mirrrorrrrr shield

http://awoiaf.wester...ndex.php/Serwyn

[Apple Martini]

Rand Sand, on 04 February 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

Yes, but in that civil war, it was dragon against dragon, since there are no dragons left to oppose them, that makes their killing a shade more difficult. Especially if what you said was true and that the eye as the weak spot being BS. And from what I've read about, the only detailed deaths of dragons were by old age (Balerion for example) or by another enemy dragon. Of course, this being a fantasy, there must have been a few dragonslayers, just none specified.

My point was actually the opposite of that — it'd be difficult as hell to hit a dragon deep enough in the eye to kill it. You'd have to get close enough to it (risking incineration) or have insane archery aim. Think about how big the dragon is, and how small the eyeball is. Barth saying that the only way to kill a dragon is to hit it deep enough through the eye to hit its brain would, I think, discourage people from trying it, given the degree of difficulty and the risk involved. That's what I was trying to say by pointing out that Barth's writings should be taken with a grain of salt — he isn't likely to just write down a how-to guide that his boss's enemies could use to kill the family dragons.

The King in the South, on 04 February 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

mirrrorrrrr shield

http://awoiaf.wester...ndex.php/Serwyn

It worked for Serwyn but not Byron Swann.

Edited by Apple Martini, 04 February 2012 - 11:59 PM.

[chrisdaw]

If the dragons can't be killed we may as well crown Dany now and the Others can all go back home.

[Apple Martini]

chrisdaw, on 05 February 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

If the dragons can't be killed we may as well crown Dany now and the Others can all go back home.

Exactly. The thought depresses me so much.

Edited by Apple Martini, 05 February 2012 - 12:29 AM.

[The Swaggering Bravo]

Apple Martini, on 04 February 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

My point was actually the opposite of that — it'd be difficult as hell to hit a dragon deep enough in the eye to kill it. You'd have to get close enough to it (risking incineration) or have insane archery aim. Think about how big the dragon is, and how small the eyeball is. Barth saying that the only way to kill a dragon is to hit it deep enough through the eye to hit its brain would, I think, discourage people from trying it, given the degree of difficulty and the risk involved. That's what I was trying to say by pointing out that Barth's writings should be taken with a grain of salt — he isn't likely to just write down a how-to guide that his boss's enemies could use to kill the family dragons.

Well clearly dragons can be killed since a spear was embedded in Drogon's neck.

[Cap Ou Pas Cap]

There is warging. You can set one dragon upon another.

What about throwing wildfire at them? Surely not a clean death, but still.

[chrisdaw]

Mirror shield is probably foreshadowing something, probably not a straight mirror shield killing but a dragon getting confused by its own reflection somehow.

[Apple Martini]

Rand Sand, on 05 February 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

Well clearly dragons can be killed since a spear was embedded in Drogon's neck.

I know. That's what I'm saying.

They, more than likely, can be killed in other ways than just spearing them through the eye.

Barth though, BECAUSE HE WAS A TARGAYREN LOYALIST/LACKEY, is not going to specifically say which other, easier ways that dragons can be killed in his book, because doing so would tell his employer's enemies how to kill his dragons. He can give the token spear-through-the-eye thing, which I've already said is the equivalent of saying, "Good luck, assholes." Some guy got lucky and succeeded in the mirror shield legend, and Byron Swann tried it in "real life" and got roasted.

I'm sorry, am I not being clear about this?

Edited by Apple Martini, 05 February 2012 - 12:54 AM.

[Gillio]

...or mesmerised.

You should see my dog with his reflection.

[Sevumar]

Rand Sand, on 05 February 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

Well clearly dragons can be killed since a spear was embedded in Drogon's neck.

I found it fairly convincing that Drogon's still not quite fully grown and his scales might not be at their adult thickness yet.

[The Swaggering Bravo]

Apple Martini, on 05 February 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

I know. That's what I'm saying.

They, more than likely, can be killed in other ways than just spearing them through the eye.

Barth though, BECAUSE HE WAS A TARGAYREN LOYALIST/LACKEY, is not going to specifically say which other, easier ways that dragons can be killed in his book, because doing so would tell his employer's enemies how to kill his dragons. He can give the token spear-through-the-eye thing, which I've already said is the equivalent of saying, "Good luck, assholes." Some guy got lucky and succeeded in the mirror shield legend, and Byron Swann tried it in "real life" and got roasted.

I'm sorry, am I not being clear about this?

Absolutely. Any sane Targaryen loyalist would write that you have to attack their eyes rather than more convenient methods.