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[pat5150]

And by the way, to those who seem to believe that viewers don't want to see castaways suffer and dig deep to go all the way, the first episode of Koh-Lanta: La Revanche des Héros" had preliminary ratings of 7.8 million viewers. Per capita, that's like 39 million viewers in the USA. Which makes this first episode of the new season (nowhere near the best ratings the show has generated over the years since the show first aired in 2001) second only in terms of popularity to the finale of Survivor: Borneo and the first episode of The Australian Outback.

It also puts to rest the silly notion that after all these years, it's only normal that a show like Survivor has now lost nearly 80% of its original viewership. Put a quality product on our screens and people will watch. Period. Not as much as the first two seasons, perhaps. But more than the 10 millions or so who now watch it. . .

If it's good, there will be more asses in the seats. What's even more impressive is that the French adaptation reaches about one viewer out of seven on Friday nights at 9:00pm, a veritable ratings  wasteland in most television markets. That 13% of the population likes the show to such a degree that they are willing to spend their Friday nights watching it (and making the show reach 32% of the market shares for that first episode) demonstrates that there is interest for a show like Survivor. I've been trying to convince people of this for months on the Facebook closed group "Previously on Survivor" but no one agrees. The French TV market is basically the same as in the USA, so there is no reason why Survivor could not reclaim its earstwhile gory. . .

[viniS]

Sing it to Probst, man.

[pat5150]

I love Jeff Probst as the host of the show. But his becoming executive producer a few years back pretty much coincides with the quality of the show gradually going down the drain. . .

His being involved in the casting process can only hurt the Survivor. . .

Patrick

[Tears of Lys]

I don't "love" Jeff Probst as you do, but I can't imagine Survivor without him.  It's a pity they gave him so much power.

In other news, on the CBS Survivor website they've got a short video around the "7-Up Challenge."  They've got the guy who actually supervised (and designed?) the big water slide involved in that "challenge."  Apparently they're quite proud of the Giant Slide of Schlock.

[awesome possum]

Well that was pretty stupid by Jay all around.  How does the guy who has been absolutely bug-shit paranoid the last several votes suddenly become so content that he spills his closest ally's plans to the woman who his closest ally just told him was going to betray them?  Just dumb.

Troy will fight tooth and nail, but the rest of the tribe outside of Kim and Chelsea just seem content to do whatever the hell anyone - doesn't matter who -tells them.

[Howdyphillip]

This was by far the best episode of the entire season so far. Jay really did prove himself again to be the idiot that he has been this entire season. He didn't deserve to go farther than he did. I also think that this episode proved that the "one world" experiment actually worked. Jay could not have been fooled by this trick if he didn't have such proximity to the women's tribe at the beginning of this game. Christine probably would have flopped, and we would have an entirely different game this year.

The thing that I found the most interesting is that Tarzan is part of the girl alliance. He voted for Jay. This is further evidence to me that he is being dragged along to the end game by the women. Lief, yet again, was outside looking in...

[Gronzag]

Jay is such an epic example of an idiot on survivor, he really didn't deserve to go any further. Troy is my favorite now. If he gets voted out soon than i will be very sad

[Tears of Lys]

Have WE broken down along gender lines too?  Can't any of you guys root for Kim?  She's played an awesome game so far.

[The Wedge]

Tears of Lys, on 12 April 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Have WE broken down along gender lines too?  Can't any of you guys root for Kim?  She's played an awesome game so far.

I am a guy.  I have been rooting for Kim.

The Wedge, on 08 March 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

I'm silently rooting for Kim.

The Wedge, on 22 March 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

Still rooting for Kim. She's getting a favorable edit.

The Wedge, on 29 March 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

My money's still on Kim to win it all...

[SpaceChampion]

I'm sort of rooting for Kim.  But she really lucked out this episode that Jay was such an idiot, so she has some improving to do to deserve the win, if she gets it.

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

The men are officially toast.

[awesome possum]

Tears of Lys, on 12 April 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Have WE broken down along gender lines too?  Can't any of you guys root for Kim?  She's played an awesome game so far.

I've called Kim as getting a "beneficial" edit as far back as a month ago, and as far back as the first episode mentioned how she was one of the few likable cast members.

She is by far playing the best game.  She is stabbing people in the back, breaking alliances, and playing a pretty ruthless game, all while maintaining likability and letting almost no one know she is pulling the strings.  The only problem is, no one knows she's pulling the strings, so if she finds herself up there with Sabrina and Chelsea at the end, and they all claim to have been the masterminds, who is to be believed?


However, I can't help but think the guys lost this game more than Kim or any of the women will win it.  Though the guys deserve to lose for as stupid as they've played this game.

[Tsavong Lah]

I think Kim is playing the best game, and I would be quite happy with her winning. Troy is the only guy on the show who isn't an idiot, and I kind of feel like he's been screwed by the idiocy of the other men (though he's went along with it at times). So I'd like to see him make it as far as possible.

Chelsea is difficult for me. One the one hand, I see that she is actively playing the game and doing it quite well at moments. But it seems that she is more of a tactical player than a strategic player. She knows that specific tactics are part of the game but she doesn't always employ them at the best time or in the best way. She knows to play both sides, but she is a bit too open about it. I feel like she lets her scheming be too apparent. Kim is much better because she is much more subtle.

Alecia is still horrible, but thankfully she has faded into the background now, she is a complete non-entity. Everyone else isn't worth the little screen time they are given, except for the straight up weirdness of Tarzan.

[Fiddler]

I've been watching Survivor since Pearl Islands and have seen some stupid contestants and Jay has to rank right up there.  I don't understand how a contestant on this show failed to watch any of the other seasons of this show.  Thats the only way to explain Jay not understanding what was going on.  I mean he practically gave the idea to Kat during their reward.

Even though he may not of saw the signs before the immunity challenge, how in the hell did he not see how the women acted during the challenge.  That was a dead give away.

I do think Kim(I think thats her name, I"m horrible with names) is clearly playing the best game so far, but if Troyzan can continue to win immunity he could be a dark horse, but I don't see that happening.

[Slurktan]

I think Kim is playing the best game so far, by far.  However I think she's going the Russell route.  She's getting too cocky, the smirks and such she's giving out in TC are shown for a reason.

[Gertrude]

Sadly, I am getting bored with Survivor. I hate saying that, as I love it when it's good. It's not good anymore.

I'm rooting for Kim and Sabrina. I think they are both playing good games. Kim is in the better position and is shown playing a more master-mind role, but Sabrina is just so centered and down to business. I like her more. 'Put on your big girl pants'. Chelsea I wanted to like, but I didn't like her emotional crisis this episode. I also really wanted to like Christina, but we haven't seen enough of her to know if she's likable or not. I'm getting the feeling that she isn't, but I'd like to decide that for myself. Troyzan is growing on me, but man was he duped by the Mike vote. That's just not having your head in the game.

I really thought Jay had more sense than he showed last night, but I was very wrong.

[litechick]

I like Sabrina.  I cannot tell the difference between Kim and Chelsea.

Whichever one was having the introspection in the boat where she struggled with "I don't want to play the game that way", it seemed to me that what she really meant was that the proposed course of action would form jury resentments.

I always find it fascinating when people refuse to acknowledge the pink elephant.

[Howdyphillip]

litechick, on 13 April 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

I like Sabrina.  I cannot tell the difference between Kim and Chelsea.

Chelsea is the one with fake boobs... Kim has the thick and beautiful eyebrows.

[awesome possum]

One thing I saw mentioned in an interview with Mike was that apparently Troy had a personal dislike for him.  Even though they were allies, they weren't friends and barely spoke around camp.  That makes it seem a lot easier to buy that Troy so readily accepted Kim's lie and was so enthusiastic about getting rid of him.

Another smart move by Kim, but I agree with Slurk, she may be getting too cocky, and she shouldn't.  She is playing the best game, but that doesn't change the fact that without the guys making completely boneheaded moves (giving up immunity, not being able to stay united against a clearly united women's alliance, and Jay's particular brand of idiocy) she and the women would be on the outs right now.  That's could bite her in the ass.

[pat5150]

Howdyphillip, on 07 April 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Anywhere to watch with English subtitles? I haven't spoken any french in almost 20 years and I need to brush up...

Hey Phil,

Been checking and asking around. . . But though they do have Survivor with French subtitles, the same cannot be said about Koh-Lanta with English subtitles.

But you'll find links to download the first episode of La Revanche des Héros here. In case you want to have a look. . .

Just watched the second episode which was aired a few hours ago in France and I'm excited! Now, I just need to find it in me to watch the two last Survivor episodes. . .

Patrick