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[LiamBridge]

Somthing thats been kind of bugging me for awhile is how did the mountain clans come to be. it says on the wiki that they were people who rejected the seven kingdoms, but it doesn't say when or why. I was wondering what would make a whole people just reject there way of life and live as raiders in the woods. At least with the wildlings
they were just unlucky enough to be north of the wall when it was build.

If anyone has any ideas or if its been explained at some point i'd love to hear it.

Edited by LiamBridge, 06 February 2012 - 09:22 PM.

[Monk Meth-]

im guessing after the war a lot of the small folk got pretty ravaged. when the kingdoms became peaceful under 1 king i assume they just never came back and eventually became the clans

[Anvilbreaker]

A lot of the windings moved north of the wall after it was built.
You know, for freedom and such

Edited by Anvilbreaker, 06 February 2012 - 09:28 PM.

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

they wanted to continue cutting off people's manhood and feeding it to goats. It is known.

[Fire Eater]

I have been curious about the mountain clans. They don't seem to worship the Seven. What if they were remnants of the First Men who were driven from the Vale when the Andals arrived, and refused to give up the Old Gods for the Seven. They also could just be the descendants of thieves (First Men, due to the clan structure) who settled in the Mountains of the Moon to prey on travelers who used the mountain road.

Edited by fireeater22, 08 February 2012 - 12:22 AM.

[Sevumar]

fireeater22, on 06 February 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

I have been curious about the mountain clans. They don't seem to worship the Seven. What if they were remnants of the First Men who were driven from the Vale when the Andals arrived, and refused to give up the Old Gods for the Seven.

I've often wondered if this was the case too. While we don't see any evidence of any kind of religious belief among them, we do see a lot in common with the the Wildlings and the mountain clans of the North, although the Northern clans seem to respect Stark dominion over their land. They don't seem likely to win control over the Vale unless their new Lannister steel swings the balance in their favor. Sure, they're probably good at defending their lands and raiding, but they don't seem to have the technology or manpower to make any gains.

Is it possible that the noble First Men families that weren't destroyed in the Andal conquest gave up and accepted the new social order to avoid losing all their power, while those lower on the social ladder took to the hills to continue their fight? Look at House Royce, for instance. Everything about them screams First Men remnant -- their hold of Runestone, their bronze rune-graven armor, their House words, "we remember" -- and yet they seem to worship the Seven and most men in their family are knights.

[ForeverBallin]

They could be like the mountain clans of the North, of blood of the First Men who either have resisted the Andals since their landing or rebelled afterwards.

[Gurkhal]

The theory that the Clans would be First Men do hold some promise and I could easily see that being the truth and that they might have had an influx of Andals who for one reason or another came in conflict with the kings of the Seven Kingdoms.

[Lummel]

LiamBridge, on 06 February 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Somthing thats been kind of bugging me for awhile is how did the mountain clans come to be. it says on the wiki that they were people who rejected the seven kingdoms, but it doesn't say when or why. I was wondering what would make a whole people just reject there way of life and live as raiders in the woods. At least with the wildlings
they were just unlucky enough to be north of the wall when it was build.

If anyone has any ideas or if its been explained at some point i'd love to hear it.

They are left over like the wildlings from the earliest times. In the beginning there were lots of family and clan groups which eventually coalesced into about a hundred kingdoms which reduced down to seven kingdoms by the tiime of the andal invasions. The wildlings and the mountain clans are groups that never got past that first stage.

[Darth Vader's Bastard]

They are all King Robert's bastards.

[MessageForYouSir]

I wonder if Tyrion will ever live up to his promise, helping the clans take the Vale, in one way or another, for helping him way back when in aGoT...

[Gurkhal]

MessageForYouSir, on 07 February 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

I wonder if Tyrion will ever live up to his promise, helping the clans take the Vale, in one way or another, for helping him way back when in aGoT...

It would really be awesome if that happened.

[Darth Vader's Bastard]

I have a feeling we haven't seen that last of them.

[redriver]

Descendants of the First Men ousted from the Vale by the Andals would be my guess.

[Grumpkin Ahai]

Was there no talk of them during Sansa's chapters in AFFC?

[King Harren]

I have them in my head as descendants of First Men nobility who were displaced by the Andal invasion... Just my personal theory.

[jarl the climber]

MessageForYouSir, on 07 February 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

I wonder if Tyrion will ever live up to his promise, helping the clans take the Vale, in one way or another, for helping him way back when in aGoT...

Sansa could end up doing that in his name or at least bring them into the fold.

[Lord Damian]

They remind me of wildiings who simply got left on the southern side of the wall and refuse to leave. Being where they are in the mountain areas, they are too much trouble to march in and root them out so Vale citizens genuinly travel with more guards and that has been satisfactory until now. The Lannisters paid their debt and armed these people so things may come to a boil. Perhaps if Tyrion comes through the area with Dany and the dragons, they will remember him and he can win their support again. After all, Tyrion feels he has a score to settle with the Vale.

Edited by Lord Damian, 07 February 2012 - 06:10 PM.

[ElizaMartell]

Lord Damian, on 07 February 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

They remind me of wildiings who simply got left on the southern side of the wall and refuse to leave. Being where they are in the mountain areas, they are too much trouble to march in and root them out so Vale citizens genuinly travel with more guards and that has been satisfactory until now. The Lannisters paid their debt and armed these people so things may come to a boil. Perhaps if Tyrion comes through the area with Dany and the dragons, they will remember him and he can win their support again. After all, Tyrion feels he has a score to settle with the Vale.

How would Tyrion do that? Wouldn't Dany need a stable Vale when she enters Westeros?

[voodooqueen126]

Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 07 February 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Was there no talk of them during Sansa's chapters in AFFC?

The reason that Arya and Sandor weren't able to make it to the Eyrie is that Tyrion's arming of the Mountains clans made them more vicious and dangerous.
Way to go Tyrion.