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[The Bastards Bastard]

Whats Littlefingers game? The man puzzles me...he has no allegiance to any house really. He seems to be helping Sansa but why and for what gain? to say because he loved Cat i beleive is rubbish, because if he loved her why lie about the knife in Kings landing thus leading to her taken the imp thus oppening hostilities. Why turn agaisnt those who raised him high ? making him Lord Pramount of the trident and giving patronage to become Lysa Arryns wife...What are his motives

[Winter's Knight]

Before the RW? His own interests.
After the RW: Revenge for Catelyn-and what better revenge than putting her daughter back at Winterfell.

[ElizaMartell]

Winterbreath, on 09 February 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

Before the RW? His own interests.
After the RW: Revenge for Catelyn-and what better revenge than putting her daughter back at Winterfell.

Somehow I doubt Littlefinger's motivation for 'helping' Sansa was altruistic.

[Winter's Knight]

ElizaMartell, on 09 February 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

Somehow I doubt Littlefinger's motivation for 'helping' Sansa was altruistic.

What does he gain? If he wanted Winterfell, he could marry her himself.
He went through a lot of unnecessary risk to rescue Sansa, then killed Lysa for her and is now planing to wed her to Harold Hardying, thus ensuring that her children will rule over both the Vale and in Winterfell.

[The Bastards Bastard]

Winterbreath, on 09 February 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

What does he gain? If he wanted Winterfell, he could marry her himself.
He went through a lot of unnecessary risk to rescue Sansa, then killed Lysa for her and is now planing to wed her to Harold Hardying, thus ensuring that her children will rule over both the Vale and in Winterfell.

All this is known but the why is still there

[Ramsay's Third Nipple]

Winterbreath, on 09 February 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

What does he gain? If he wanted Winterfell, he could marry her himself.
He went through a lot of unnecessary risk to rescue Sansa, then killed Lysa for her and is now planing to wed her to Harold Hardying, thus ensuring that her children will rule over both the Vale and in Winterfell.

Cersei has said as much, he asked to marry her, but she (Cersei) refused him because he basically wasn't highborn enough to be worthy of Sansa. He still could, but yet he plans to marry her off.

Littlefinger probably just wants the Iron throne like any other fool.

[David C. Simmons]

He's infatuated with Sansa because she looks like a young Catelyn. That is literally the only thing that is saving Sansa in this story. Littlefinger doesn't give a shit about the Starks. Only Catelyn and I'm sure his spies knew of the RW before it happened. If he actually did have a change of heart after the RW it would be out of character. He wants to get back at everyone who looked down on him which is the Tullys, Arryns and Starks. He's already Lord Paramount of the Trident and protector of the Vale, what a coincidence he's going after Wintefell, regardless if Rickon returns or not. Mark my words though the river lands, vale and the north wil eventually unite, but they cannot accomplish it without Littlefinger whether he gets killed by Sansa or not

[Winter's Knight]

Ramsay, on 09 February 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Cersei has said as much, he asked to marry her, but she (Cersei) refused him because he basically wasn't highborn enough to be worthy of Sansa. He still could, but yet he plans to marry her off.

Littlefinger probably just wants the Iron throne like any other fool.

@RTN He has Sansa with him, under his control now, with Cersei out of power and him being Lord Protector of the Vale and Lord of Harrenhal-why not wait few months before marrying her himself and taking Winterfell?

David C. Simmons, on 09 February 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

He's infatuated with Sansa because she looks like a young Catelyn. That is literally the only thing that is saving Sansa in this story. Littlefinger doesn't give a shit about the Starks. Only Catelyn and I'm sure his spies knew of the RW before it happened. If he actually did have a change of heart after the RW it would be out of character. He wants to get back at everyone who looked down on him which is the Tullys, Arryns and Starks. He's already Lord Paramount of the Trident and protector of the Vale, what a coincidence he's going after Wintefell, regardless if Rickon returns or not. Mark my words though the river lands, vale and the north wil eventually unite, but they cannot accomplish it without Littlefinger whether he gets killed by Sansa or not

David, if he is truly infatuated by her, why doesn't he take her?

Edited by Winterbreath, 09 February 2012 - 09:15 AM.

[The Bastards Bastard]

Winterbreath, on 09 February 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

@RTN He has Sansa with him, under his control now, with Cersei out of power and him being Lord Protector of the Vale and Lord of Harrenhal-why not wait few months before marrying her himself and taking Winterfell?

@David, if he is truly infatuated by her, why doesn't he take her?

i agree

[David C. Simmons]

Winterbreath, on 09 February 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

@RTN He has Sansa with him, under his control now, with Cersei out of power and him being Lord Protector of the Vale and Lord of Harrenhal-why not wait few months before marrying her himself and taking Winterfell?





David, if he is truly infatuated by her, why doesn't he take her?

Littlefinger's hold on the Vale is tenuous at best. The Lords of the Vale do not trust him and rightfully so. Littlefinger would love to marry Sansa I'm sure but he needs Sansa to marry Harry to solidify his hold on the Vale. Harry is related to the Arryns which should appease the Lords of the Vale and once Sansa reveals herself to be a Stark then they will be on board since she was the niece of the Lady of Arryn. Littlefinger needs them to marry. Once they do they can rally the Knights of the Vale to take back Winterfell.

[Winter's Knight]

David C. Simmons, on 09 February 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Littlefinger's hold on the Vale is tenuous at best. The Lords of the Vale do not trust him and rightfully so. Littlefinger would love to marry Sansa I'm sure but he needs Sansa to marry Harry to solidify his hold on the Vale. Harry is related to the Arryns which should appease the Lords of the Vale and once Sansa reveals herself to be a Stark then they will be on board since she was the niece of the Lady of Arryn. Littlefinger needs them to marry. Once they do they can rally the Knights of the Vale to take back Winterfell.

That takes all power away from Petyr!
If Sansa marries Harry and if Robin dies, then both the Vale and the North pass to Harry, leaving Littlefinger Lord of Harrenhal and nothing more.

[Ramsay's Third Nipple]

I'm certain he has a bigger plan. He's killed lords before to get what he wants. Harry's days are numbered, the only sad thing is that Sansa will probably fall for Harry and end up killing Littlefinger instead...

[ElizaMartell]

If Littlefinger trully cared about cementing his power he'd deal with the mountain clan threats. He's obviously waiting to use Sansa as a pawn of some sorts.

[Eejit]

Ramsay, on 09 February 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Cersei has said as much, he asked to marry her, but she (Cersei) refused him because he basically wasn't highborn enough to be worthy of Sansa.

Wasn't that pre-RW?

[Ramsay's Third Nipple]

Eejit, on 09 February 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Wasn't that pre-RW?

She recalled it in ADWD during her walk of shame. But I assume it was directly before Sansa was forced to marry Tyrion that he asked.

[Solaris]

Be King of the world, eliminate all possible opposition and tap Sansa Stark his little Cat Stark replica. That is LF's game. (IMO)

[HyacinthGirl]

I think he just wants everything. Power, money, all of it. Having climbed so high already, he probably just wants to keep on climbing.
I think he loved Cat but he is hardly a romantic character, I don't see his end game as being vengeance for her. She was a Tully and a Stark and he's probably not sad to see both of those houses go. His game is driven by greed and ambition, not love or revenge.

[David C. Simmons]

Winterbreath, on 09 February 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

That takes all power away from Petyr!
If Sansa marries Harry and if Robin dies, then both the Vale and the North pass to Harry, leaving Littlefinger Lord of Harrenhal and nothing more.

True, but he doesnt have to be Lord of the Vale to rule it. Look at what he did in King's Landing even though he was the Master of Coin. All he will do is stay and be 'Advisor' to Sansa and Harry. After all, Harry owes Littlefinger a great deal

Solaris, on 09 February 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Be King of the world, eliminate all possible opposition and tap Sansa Stark his little Cat Stark replica. That is LF's game. (IMO)

More or less

[Eejit]

Ramsay, on 09 February 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

She recalled it in ADWD during her walk of shame. But I assume it was directly before Sansa was forced to marry Tyrion that he asked.

Yes, and Sansa married Tyrion prior to the Red Wedding. It was one of the main reasons Robb left a will.

So Littlefinger asked Cersei to be allowed to wed Sansa prior to RW. Hrmm.

[sarah.jenice]

Winterbreath, on 09 February 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

That takes all power away from Petyr!
If Sansa marries Harry and if Robin dies, then both the Vale and the North pass to Harry, leaving Littlefinger Lord of Harrenhal and nothing more.

As David said, getting revenge on everyone who shamed him, and I think everyone, even more than just Stark, Arryn and Tully are on his revenge list. Everyone looked down on him, and as someone else mentioned, Cersei wouldn't let him marry Sansa.

I don't think he only wanted the Lannisters to destroy the Starks, I think he wanted them to destroy each other. With enough of the realm in such a state of chaos, it would be easier to grasp control. I think he's doing a pretty good job of gaining power. I know it is only the television show, but in it, he tells Roz that he wants everything there is, and I felt like that rang true for his character.

My speculation on his game in the Vale is to use Sansa in the same way he used Lysa. Have her marry Harry, reclaim Winterfell with the knights of the Vale, and once they are united and Sansa produces an heir worthy of the Vale lords, Littlefinger will kill Harry and marry Sansa - uniting the North, the Vale and the Riverlands. He may want Sansa, but I think he would be willing to wait for that to run its course to ensure he had the power. He probably thinks he will gain Sansa's trust enough to where she will want him to, and if she, like Lysa, was willing to marry him, none of the other lords could go against her wishes.

Edited by sarah.jenice, 09 February 2012 - 09:55 AM.