Ran, on 09 March 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:
You have a habit of coming back a few days down the road repeating the same flawed, tired arguments to justify your position, ignoring not only the text at times but, apparently, ignoring what those trying to discuss the issue are saying as well.
I never said Catelyn was afraid for her life. Go back and read (and re-read) what I wrote, and look at what I say Catelyn is afraid of. It's not her life she's afraid of: it's the life of her husband and daughters that's she concerned about if Cersei Lannister concludes that Catelyn had been in King's Landing in secret to reveal that she had evidence that the Lannisters were behind Bran's fall or the attempt on Bran's life.
Ha. Really? Then what did you mean when you said:
Ran, on 08 March 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:
When he spots her, and only after a positive effort on her part to not be spotted, does she act. What, then, is motivating her? It's not vengeance: it's fear. If Tyrion has done what Littlefinger has said he's done, in a way that has convinced both her and Ned, then his knowledge that she was coming up the road from King's Landing was explosive. After all, her visit had been deeply secret. If Cersei learned that Catelyn was secretly in King's Landing... well, that leads to a natural conclusion, doesn't it? She came to tell Ned something that required secrecy, like her son was awake and he just blabbed everything about what he saw, or they captured the catspaw and now they know we tried to kill Bran, etc.
The obvious inference from your statement - is that if Tyrion the Dwarf was the cold-blooded killer who hires assasins to kill little boys at night, then she would naturally be in fear of her safety from that scary dwarf and -as you mention - what he could do to Ned and her two lovely daughters.
OK, so you believe she was worried about her kids in KL. Duh, how is kidnapping Tyrion and dragging him all the way to the Eyrie going to do anything other than excerbate the tension between House Stark and House Lannister? You totally forget that the kidnap was done in OPEN PUBLIC - unless Cat could kill every single witness in that inn - there was NO WAY she could prevent the news of the incident from reaching Tywin in Casterly Rock or Cersei/Jamie at KL.
Now how is she going to warn Ned+ at KL, her father/brother or the people of the North of the incoming wrath of the Lannisters??? She has NO WAY of silencing the witnesses in that packed inn. and she took the most dangerous path to the Vale - the one path where she easily have been killed or badly injured which would also have prevented her from sending word of her stupid act to her side.
Now it would seem its you who don't wish to debate about it. Calling a detractor's argument as tired and false is not the same as discrediting it with sound logic. Then again, I'm not expecting that from people who love Catelyn.
Edited by lyvyathan, 10 March 2012 - 09:06 AM.