Giovanna Neve, on 22 February 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:
I don't like Dany, but I can't really blame her for thinking she's fated after the pyre event. This doesn't mean I think she is, but since in westros is normal for a noble person thinking "I'm a wolf!! I'm a dragon!!...I'm xxx cool-beast!!!" I can't really dislike her for thinking "I'm the blood of dragon!!". She's a young girl after all.
btw : she thinks/says "I'm the blood of the dragon" 10 times in adwd(there are 9 Dany's chapter if I'm not wrong...).
And this is where Illyrio's contempt to Tyrion makes sense. Tyrion says he's a lion and Illyrio says, "O rly?" Any asshat with a sigil can say that he is
that sigil but that doesn't make it so. To my mind only the Starks come close -- when they say, "I'm a wolf," in the wargs' cases, they literally ARE wolves
I've noticed that Dany has gone from using "I'm the blood of the dragon" as a way to keep strength to using it as an excuse to lord it over people (obviously she's superior to them) to using it as justification for her own super-powered divine awesomeness. There's a clear pattern when it comes to Targaryens claiming that they're actual dragons -- not just in terms of insanity and downfall but also cruelty. Aerion Brightflame bullied puppeteers and intentionally killed an opponent's horse and lied. Viserys psychologically and physically abused his sister. Aerys II got his rocks off on burning people alive. All of them thought that they were or would become "dragons." Now obviously I can only speculate, but I don't see Jaehaerys I constantly saying he was the blood of the dragon, or Viserys I, or Aegon III, or Aegon V. The best Targ kings appear to be those who weren't
up their own asses in terms of their genetic lottery. And three of the guys I mentioned lived when there were still dragons.
ETA: If you notice, the Targaryen kings with the closest identification to the dragon mythology seem to have been the worst ones.
Aegon IV handed his eggs out as gifts and fashioned a gaudy dragon-headed crown. The Young Dragon is remembered for losing 40,000 in Dorne. Baelor Batshit prayed over eggs so they would hatch and they never did. Aerys I preferred to read books about "lore" over actually ruling (dragonlore, perhaps?).
ETA 2: And yes I'm perfectly aware that Aegon V died apparently trying to hatch an egg. But I suspect that attempt had some "push" behind it (possibly the Ghost of High Heart?) and wouldn't have been attempted otherwise.
TheBull, on 22 February 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:
Either way, the show and the books are two different machines so I don't get why people get upset about this. Dany appears to be immune to fire on the show so what is wrong with people saying so? It wasn't like that in the books? So?
If the show implies that Dany is immune to fire -- outside of the pyre -- and then later on she isn't
, that could be rightly construed as a continuity or logic error within the show and could very well confuse people. There have been many people on here who became fans because of the show, saying that "Jon can't be a Targ because he burned his hands" or even "Could Viserys be a fake because he was burned?" It's an issue because 1. the show's digression has caused spillover confusion where the books are concerned and 2. the show might have to sidestep the rules it appeared to have laid out, which can only confuse people further.
Edited by Apple Martini, 22 February 2012 - 03:02 PM.