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[HannibalStark]

RandomWanderer, on 15 February 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

I swear to the old gods I hope that GRRM doesn't make the story into some silly Arthurian good vs evil thing with this whole AA and lightbringer bs. I think we can expect and hope for better then that from GRRM.

I personally hope NO one is AA and there isn't some grand cosmic earth shattering " good vs evil" battle in the end.. it just wouldn't fit into the ASOIAF story.

I've seen a buttload of interviews Martin did and he is always, always taking about how the world isn't black and white but grey and how he wants these books and characters to reflect that.  Plus he has said the ending will be "bittersweet" so I really do not think there is a chance of the good vs evil thing happening.  I'm much more concerned something is g

[HannibalStark]

Ser Ilyn, on 15 February 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Also didn't part of the hilt get burned away and have to remade? So the sword was technically burning (albeit briefly).

the hilt and handle are separate and wrapped around the sword so technically they can burn without the sword actually "burning"

[Carey Snow]

RandomWanderer, on 15 February 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

I swear to the old gods I hope that GRRM doesn't make the story into some silly Arthurian good vs evil thing with this whole AA and lightbringer bs. I think we can expect and hope for better then that from GRRM. I personally hope NO one is AA and there isn't some grand cosmic earth shattering " good vs evil" battle in the end.. it just wouldn't fit into the ASOIAF story.

It is a Song of Ice and Fire. For all we know Fire could be the evil or they are both shades of gray and will battle each other to near extinction....

Edited by Carey Snow, 29 March 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[HannibalStark]

Carey Snow, on 29 March 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

It is a Song of Ice and Fire. For all we know Fire could be the evil or they are both shades of gray and will battle each other to near extinction....

all he talks about is how the world is grey...there is no good, there is no evil, there is good and evil in everyone, or at least according to Martin and his books, or at least this series. He has said his ending will be "bittersweet"  and I really do not get the impression he is going to make it about good vs evil in the end after working so hard to show how we can actually like the characters we hate and how we can hate the ones we loved all depending on their POV.

[Teal'c]

Lord Littlefinger, on 15 February 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

...Apparently they don't have Canadian Bacon in Canada either...

But they do have two-fours, chesterfields, and eavestroughs, whereas in the States we have cases of beer, sofas, and rain gutters.

At any rate different expressions in the same language but we still understand. So obsidian is dragonglass, and Valyrian steel might be dragon steel. It would be good to be quite sure though, before the rubber meets the road...

[Silver Spearwife]

Well, if Longclaw is Lightbringer, Jon will need a sacrifice. What if Melisandre is the sacrifice? She had one chapter in ADwD, and considering that she was really the only new POV who got to have her name as the title of the chapter, I'm guessing we'll be seeing more of her. And it seemed like she was being portrayed pretty sympathetically, so if we grow to like her (a la Jaime), that would fit into Martin's theme of gray morality. Besides, then the fire could be real or metaphorical (real, knowing Martin). Melisandre would certainly give the sword the heat that Stannis' Lightbringer is missing.

[Silver Spearwife]

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Edited by Silver Spearwife, 25 April 2012 - 09:58 PM.

[Henry the Lighthearted]

I don't think this has been mentioned on this thread yet but, Eddard Stark did describe Dawn as having some sort of weary shimmer to it as if it were alive with light and the colour of it was milk-glass white. When I think alive with light and milk-glass white I think of a metal substance so hot that it's burning white.

On the other hand for those that are pining for the whole part about the sword being of a red hue, it wouldn't be far-fetched that, should it remain a sword, it could be oathkeeper which Brienne is holding onto now since it was literally reforged Valyrian that was Jon's ancestral sword Ice. Why do I come to this conclusion is because the sword is described as having a very rare and unrepeatable Red coat to it and that came to be almost naturally after the sword had decapitated none other than the beloved Eddard Stark (how's that for a Nissa nissa replacement for Jon eh!). As for out of the fire, what heavily forged steal was not drawn from the fire at one point. Not to mention I don't know if anyone caught this but, there was mention from the smith who was explaining the process to Tywin that he had tried numerous times to reforge the blade but failed, echoing the numerous tries to forge the blade. If the North Remembers and somehow Ice is Lightbringer and only awakened by its newest sacrifice in Eddard Stark, this would be a good candidate. Though it does not give off heat or shine like crazy like Dawn is described...

[Artos Stark]

There is certainly something different about Longclaw.

I've always wondered how such a poor family as Mormont would have a Valyrian sword.  There has to be some kind of story about its orgins that we don't know, I'd like to know how they came aross it.

[The Ghost in the Snow]

I, personally, am not a fan of the prophecies spouted in the books, as I feel they're open-ended nature leaves something to be desired. The factual, historical accounts seen through weirwood warging, on the other hand, those I like.

Edited by The Ghost in the Snow, 23 July 2012 - 11:10 PM.