Ursa, on 16 February 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:
Do we know - with absolute certainty - that the ToJ had no contact with the outside world at all?
The reason I ask, is that looking at the timeline of Lyanna giving birth and dying and Ned being there for it, I wonder if somehow a message got out when they (Wylla?) realized the birth wasn't going well. The message could have been passed on to Ned, and then he would have had roughly 10-14 days (at most) to ride like a madman to get to her.
Nothing is certain about the ToJ, but we assume it had no contact with the outside world because it was supposed to be a secret hiding place. I mean, the Martells are liberal and all, but I wonder how they would react to the news Rhaegar's lover and living humiliation to their House since Harrenhall was in Dorne.
But even if they had ravens there or something else, Ned would need to be at least in the Reach to get there on time. Or could it have reached him when he was in Storm's End, right after lifting the siege?
Anyway, I still think he was simply lucky to get there moments before Lyanna died, but the mystery remains: how did he hear about the ToJ? Who told him, who else knows?
Buried Treasure, on 16 February 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:
It's known that Ned took the Greatsword Dawn back to Starfell so that provides a link to Ashara at around the time of the end of the war and Jon suddenly appearing.
But not his conception.
Screaming Knight, on 16 February 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:
I'm under the assumption that Jon(if it really was Jon) was essentially a newborn babe at the time Ned found her. Theres no definitive evidence to how old Jon(assuming it was Jon) was when Ned was at the tower of joy because it's never outright said in the books. This is just an educated guess on my part. What I've always been a little confused about is why no one else in westeros has any questions or suspicions about jon's parents or the matter in which lyanna died. I guess everyone thinks she was murdered. I would think people knowing Ned and how over the top honorable he is would be a little intrigued about his bastard son and maybe want to know about his mother. I'm talking more about robert and the lannister's and those in higher or just as high ranks as Ned. We know he's able to shut the people of winterfell
up by intimidation but I've always wondered why others don't want some serious answers about his birth. Especially if anyone was ambiguous about lyanna and rhaegars relationship.
I think no one is intrigued by it because they all assume even the one who poses as honorable has sexual needs and will follow their desire eventually. So they wouldn't be that surprised that Ned's honor code wasn't as strictly enforced as he would make others believe. But I agree nothing explains why they never wonder about Lyanna's death.
Edited by Lady Octarina, 16 February 2012 - 09:50 PM.