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[Curtin]

Ok - so it's pretty much been confirmed that a fair number of the POV characters are destined to die in the next two books. Bearing this in mind along with the kind of writer that big GRRM is, grim to say the least, I'd say it's a fairly safe assumption that only a few of the characters are going to live happily ever after.

Last night I got to pondering who I think will get their happy ever after and what will that consist of. I’m curios what you guys think about the subject – the following are the 3 I would most like to see have a happy ending and a rough idea of what that would entail:

Tyrion Lannister – he has just been through too much not to be rewarded; his life to date in the books is depressing (yet so interesting). He has been constantly faced with overwhelming odds and manages to compete in the game in spite of it.

I think it would be oddly fitting to see him end up with Sansa and have the two crazy kids work it out. Sansa who was always so obsessed with appearances will finally overcome her tragic flaw and accept Tyrion for his inner beauty (ha-ha). Tyrion who up to this point has been constantly betrayed by everyone around him will finally developing a trusting-happy relationship with her.

I hope he finally gets his reward for his talents and either becomes Lord of Casterly Rock or Hand of the king – I see both as very possible but I guess we’ll need to see what happens with Jamie and who ends up on the Iron Throne.

Davos Seaworth – not being of noble birth makes Davos pretty much one of the only morally correct characters in the story however because of Stannis he has been plunged into a world where you need suspect ethics to survive – he has suffered because of it.

I’m not sure what kind of ending I would like to see for Davos – his political career could end up exploding with his latest exploits with Rickon and I think if it did happen it would be a good reflection that the “goodies” have triumphed. However I’m not sure if that’s a happy ending for him – he would probably much prefer to retire and live out the last of his life with his remaining family. I’m fearful however that Davos won’t have a happy ending…

Jamie Lannister – being my favourite character in the serious I hope he comes out on top however I think he has been cast as a tragic hero so I’d predict he is destined to die, it’s just a question of what manner. I love the way he is seen by the world as a villain however as the story goes on we get to see his side of the story and get an understanding of his shortcomings and actions.

I hope he continues to montage with Illyan Payne or Brienne and eventually gets proficient with his left. He has to die sword in “hand” and it has to be glorious. I hope his death is for something worthwhile – saving one of the many possible Kings or Queens. I think it would be poetic to have the last mention of Jamie being written in the Kingsguard’s book however instead of being dubbed with the name Kingslayer his death has now earned him a new more honourable name which he will be remember by.

[Val the Wildling Princess]

Great post! Who I think deserves a happy ending? First and above everyone else: Davos. He has given literally almost everything he has for Stannis and his cause, he lost four sons, I cannot imagine anything more painful than that, he is a good man, he is fair and just despite his past. I'm really rooting for Davos to have a happy ending, going back home with Marya and his remaining children.

I also want a happy ending for Brienne and Sansa, (well, for all the Starks, actually) I'll elaborate later, I hate that I have to go when im in the middle of an interesting thread

[Hear Me Roar!]

I agree with your list, and I throw in Theon. I think he has sinned but has paid enough for his pride and hubris. He's lived half his life without a place, or a belonging, and has been through torture few in the series have survived or even experienced.

I'd like to see a revitalized, healthy Theon as Lord Greyjoy by series end.

[Bear Grylls of Skagos]

Brace yourselves, Tyrion and Jaime haters are coming.

[Hear Me Roar!]

The Valonquar., on 16 February 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

Brace yourselves, Tyrion and Jaime haters are coming.

Don't worry, we know. Just waiting for the Stark Fanboys and Loyalists to come in foaming at the mouth.

[OnionAhaiReborn]

If Davos doesn't get a happy ending my soul might collapse. He is the probably the best person in these books, and, gods, it will just fucking kill me if he goes. I honestly don't know how I would cope with it. If the question is who 'deserves' happiness, it is Davos Seaworth, Onion Knight, Hand of the King, Admiral of the Narrow Sea, Lord of the Rainwood, born in Flea Bottom. He IS made of the stuff of heroes but he is just so modest!

Tyrion doesn't deserve a happy ending unless he gets on a serious redemption arc really soon- I'm not saying he isn't a tragic figure, but I don't see what he has done to 'deserve' a happy ending. Jaime is not getting a happy ending. What would be a happy ending for him anyway? Dying in battle? He's on his redemption arc but I feel like the best he can hope for his to die doing something good.

[Winter's Knight]

OnionAhaiReborn, on 16 February 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

If Davos doesn't get a happy ending my soul might collapse. He is the probably the best person in these books, and, gods, it will just fucking kill me if he goes. I honestly don't know how I would cope with it. If the question is who 'deserves' happiness, it is Davos Seaworth, Onion Knight, Hand of the King, Admiral of the Narrow Sea, Lord of the Rainwood, born in Flea Bottom. He IS made of the stuff of heroes but he is just so modest!

Tyrion doesn't deserve a happy ending unless he gets on a serious redemption arc really soon- I'm not saying he isn't a tragic figure, but I don't see what he has done to 'deserve' a happy ending. Jaime is not getting a happy ending. What would be a happy ending for him anyway? Dying in battle? He's on his redemption arc but I feel like the best he can hope for his to die doing something good.

Succulentily put.

[Hear Me Roar!]

OnionAhaiReborn, on 16 February 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

If Davos doesn't get a happy ending my soul might collapse. He is the probably the best person in these books, and, gods, it will just fucking kill me if he goes. I honestly don't know how I would cope with it. If the question is who 'deserves' happiness, it is Davos Seaworth, Onion Knight, Hand of the King, Admiral of the Narrow Sea, Lord of the Rainwood, born in Flea Bottom. He IS made of the stuff of heroes but he is just so modest!

Tyrion doesn't deserve a happy ending unless he gets on a serious redemption arc really soon- I'm not saying he isn't a tragic figure, but I don't see what he has done to 'deserve' a happy ending. Jaime is not getting a happy ending. What would be a happy ending for him anyway? Dying in battle? He's on his redemption arc but I feel like the best he can hope for his to die doing something good.

Tyrion, despite being on the (arguably) antagonistic side of the series, has been able to maintain his morality and remain a good person. Really, what did Tyrion do in the first three books to earn anyone's hatred? Despite this, he is constantly shit on by literally EVERYBODY, his own family and other families like the Starks (who everyone holds high as beacons of moral light). He finally snaps, and even then, he didn't really harm anybody who didn't have it coming to them from a mile away.

I don't see how Tyrion doesn't deserve a happy ending, to be honest. Maybe not Lord of Casterly Rock, in fact I'd prefer not that, but...something?

[Curtin]

Hear Me Roar!, on 16 February 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

I agree with your list, and I throw in Theon..

Theon would've been my next choice - before he has any chance of becomming Lord Greyjoy or returning to normal society he has to face his fear and kill Ramsey. I think if this scene was done well it could be one of the best and while I think it will happen I think it might result in a kinda kharmic strike type situationw it Theon dying as well.

[Spearwife of the Wild]

Ha! I will play this game, even though GRRM doesn't give a rat's ass about what his readers want, which is a good thing in my opinion.

Arya Stark
I do hope everything turns out well for her - she has been through so much at such a young age, and has been such a warrior about it. I think the place that would be most fitting for her is amongst the wildlings. There, she'd be considered an equal to the men, she'd be allowed to hunt and fight, she wouldn't have to be a lady and someone's wife, and I bet she'd even be pretty popular amongst the male population considering she kicks ass and will probably grow up to be a beautiful woman.
Now, how she will get there? No idea. But I think she'd be happy with the wildlings.

Sansa Stark
It broke my heart to see the Lannisters methodically break Sansa. She started out so happy, hopeful and innocent. I know she seemed annoying to some readers, but that's how you are at 11 when you've been raised by a loving family, didn't have to go through any heartbreak yet and are fed songs and fairy tales from a young age.
I would love for her to escape Littlefinger, who is becoming creepier and creepier, and maybe find Sandor Clegane if he is indeed alive and "at peace". He would keep her safe and he's the only one she can trust.

Jon Snow
I just want him to be alive so baaaaaaaaaaaaaad. I was so mad when I found out that he didn't have any chapters in aSoS.
Ideally, I'd like to see him be King in the North.

Catelyn Stark / UnCat
She didn't deserve to die, but she didn't deserve to be zombified either. I don't know how much of her is in there, but she can't be happy about the way she turned out. I'm sure she has a purpose that will be fulfilled in the remaining books, but when it's accomlished she should be put out of her misery. Having Arya, Sansa, Jon, Bran or Rickon do it would be a great dramatic chapter.

All the Stark children!!!
They're good kids, they deserve it.

Danaerys Stormborn Targaryen
I really hope that Aegon / Young Griff is a fake, if only because Dany has come so far on her own (she was helped by the Dothraki, Jorah, Barristan, etc... but she was the one caling the shots) while Aegon only followed Jon Connington around, learning what a prince has to learn with Septa Lemore, etc... lus, he just comes out of nowhere and I feel no loyalty for him. I hope that Dany finds love, since she really wants that (I am not against Dany/Jon Snow, in fact I think they fit well together and once Dany realizes that flashy bad boys *cough Daario cough* are only trouble -she wouldn't be the first girl to learn that lesson- I think they could easily fall for each other. But as long as she gets a happy relationship I don't care about who's the guy).
Ideally I'd want her to be the one ending up on the Iron Throne.

[The Swaggering Bravo]

I hope no one gets a happy ending, those are boring.

[ElizaMartell]

Curtin, on 16 February 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

Ok - so it's pretty much been confirmed that a fair number of the POV characters are destined to die in the next two books. Bearing this in mind along with the kind of writer that big GRRM is, grim to say the least, I'd say it's a fairly safe assumption that only a few of the characters are going to live happily ever after.

Last night I got to pondering who I think will get their happy ever after and what will that consist of. I’m curios what you guys think about the subject – the following are the 3 I would most like to see have a happy ending and a rough idea of what that would entail:

Tyrion Lannister – he has just been through too much not to be rewarded; his life to date in the books is depressing (yet so interesting). He has been constantly faced with overwhelming odds and manages to compete in the game in spite of it.

I think it would be oddly fitting to see him end up with Sansa and have the two crazy kids work it out. Sansa who was always so obsessed with appearances will finally overcome her tragic flaw and accept Tyrion for his inner beauty (ha-ha). Tyrion who up to this point has been constantly betrayed by everyone around him will finally developing a trusting-happy relationship with her.

I hope he finally gets his reward for his talents and either becomes Lord of Casterly Rock or Hand of the king – I see both as very possible but I guess we’ll need to see what happens with Jamie and who ends up on the Iron Throne.

So Tyrion is such a nice guy who deserves a pretty trophy wife like Sansa (Who needs to like stop being shallow OMG!) to reward him for being...what exactly?

Oh nevermind that. Sansa needs to 'grow up' in order to deserve wonderful Tyrion whose family helped destroy hers, of course she'd want to be Lady of the Rock! I love the double standards here. Sansa has to stop being obsessed with appearances but good old Tyrion deserves to obsess about it.

Edited by ElizaMartell, 16 February 2012 - 11:20 AM.

[OnionAhaiReborn]

Hear Me Roar!, on 16 February 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

Tyrion, despite being on the (arguably) antagonistic side of the series, has been able to maintain his morality and remain a good person. Really, what did Tyrion do in the first three books to earn anyone's hatred? Despite this, he is constantly shit on by literally EVERYBODY, his own family and other families like the Starks (who everyone holds high as beacons of moral light). He finally snaps, and even then, he didn't really harm anybody who didn't have it coming to them from a mile away.

I don't see how Tyrion doesn't deserve a happy ending, to be honest. Maybe not Lord of Casterly Rock, in fact I'd prefer not that, but...something?

Well, I won't wade into the main Tyrion discussions about killing his father and Shae, and raping women in Essos. I would just say that I first realized Tyrion was immoral when I read the Battle of the Blackwater scenes in ACoK. Tyrion KNOWS that his family has stolen the throne, and yet he is ready to committ murder for them anyway. He is doing everything in his power to support Joffrey, who is not only not the rightful King, but also an awful person and Tyrion knows damn well how awful a person he is. And so when my man Davos and his sons were burning up on the Blackwater, that came into mind- this was Tyrion's doing. Tyrion wants all the wrong things, he wants to be like Tywin, the man who abused and degraded him for his whole life. He isn't seeking a path of goodness but of proving to everyone that he can be as 'normally' ruthless and cunning as the rest of them. I 'like' Tyrion as a character, but in the same way I 'like' Tony Soprano- I think they're both hopelessly lost and immoral, even if I am privy to the kinder aspects and darkest secrets of their psyche I have to recognize that they are doing really terrible things. I will keep rooting for Tyrion to turn himself around, but I think he is probably a hopeless case.

Edited by OnionAhaiReborn, 16 February 2012 - 11:23 AM.

[Lady Octarina]

Well, Tyrion, Daenerys and Jon are Martin's sweethearts - I'm not sure if that means they are more likely to have a happy ending or to suffer more than the rest, but I do think Tyrion and Jon deserve a little happiness (Jon, specially).

Davos, like almost everyone else said for the right reasons, also deserves that. As do Jaime and Brienne, preferably together  

But if you asked me who I WANT to have a happy ending, that would be Stannis. Unloved since childhood, bitter and screwed since we first see him... Come on, the guy deserves at least a hug before the series is over!

[Hear Me Roar!]

OnionAhaiReborn, on 16 February 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

Well, I won't wade into the main Tyrion discussions about killing his father and Shae, and raping women in Essos. I would just say that I first realized Tyrion was immoral when I read the Battle of the Blackwater scenes in ACoK. Tyrion KNOWS that his family has stolen the throne, and yet he is ready to committ murder for them anyway. He is doing everything in his power to support Joffrey, who is not only not the rightful King, but also an awful person and Tyrion knows damn well how awful a person he is. And so when my man Davos and his sons were burning up on the Blackwater, that came into mind- this was Tyrion's doing. Tyrion wants all the wrong things, he wants to be like Tywin, the man who abused and degraded him for his whole life. He isn't seeking a path of goodness but of proving to everyone that he can be as 'normally' ruthless and cunning as the rest of them. I 'like' Tyrion as a character, but in the same way I 'like' Tony Soprano- I think they're both hopelessly lost and immoral, even if I am privy to the kinder aspects and darkest secrets of their psyche I have to recognize that they are doing really terrible things. I will keep rooting for Tyrion to turn himself around, but I think he is probably a hopeless case.

I don't like this at all. The Lannisters are Tyrion's family, whether Cersei stole the throne and dragged the rest of them into the conflict or not, they are still his family. What is he supposed to do? Go join Robb Stark? Even if he did (he wouldn't and shouldn't), every other side would have his head on a spike before he could say a word.

At least in defending the throne for his family, Tyrion tries to do so with some moral compass.

I also forgot this thing about him raping women in Essos. In ADWD I assume? Could someone remind me what happened?

[wyman's cook]

whatever happens, i don't care, i just want to see Stannis laugh

[_Oberyn_]

Wyman Manderly - for his loyalty and the pie .

But it does not mater the great thing about asoiaf is that no one gets what we expect and i hope it stays that way.

[PatrickStormborn]

Daenerys, Brienne, the Starks, and Davos. As much as I like Jaime, Cersei, Mel, Stannis and Tyrion, I don't see why any of them deserve a particularly happy ending.

[Winter's Lady]

Great topic.

Most of all - Davos. All he wants is to go home and be with his wife and remaining children, but he is still loyal and honest and honorable. If he dies before at least seeing his wife again I'll... (insert my signature here, heh)

Sansa - yes, she was a stupid girl in the beginning, but she really deserves a break! Everyone just sees her as a ticket to Winterfell, noone (well, except the Hound) cares about her for herself. That's so sad, really.

Brienne - just a good person, deserves someone who sees her inner beauty

All the other Stark kids, really (including Jon, but that's probably not going to happen )

Jaime - he became a better person throughout the series, and should be rewarded somehow (but I'm not sure he will survive his encounter with UnCat)

And, in a different definition of happy ending: Theon - can they just please give the poor guy a good quick death? Would really be a mercy, although it would still suck .   Have at me!

[OnionAhaiReborn]

Hear Me Roar!, on 16 February 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

I don't like this at all. The Lannisters are Tyrion's family, whether Cersei stole the throne and dragged the rest of them into the conflict or not, they are still his family. What is he supposed to do? Go join Robb Stark? Even if he did (he wouldn't and shouldn't), every other side would have his head on a spike before he could say a word.

Ok well I don't know if you are a Sopranos fan, but I will extend my comparison anyway. Tony complains to Melfi about the life he leads and she asks him, "Tony, why don't you just give it up?" But he has such a mental wall up about changing that he can only take his convesations with her as ways to improve his 'business.' Tyrion is probably a little nicer deeper down than Tony is, but he is still so hopelessly lost that he can't even consider ways out of doing something evil, and he justifies himself by trying to do it 'better.' Ugh I feel like I am getting way off-topic here. The point is, as much as I can understand what's going on in his mind, and see that deep down Tyrion is kind, most of his actions do not express his kindess but instead express his desire for power and- probably most importantly- prestige. He can't handle the way people look down on him, but instead of being zen about it and doing the right thing in spite of all down-lookers, he does the wrong things to try to win them all over. Readers love Tyrion because we see him from the inside and see his goodness. But we need to remember to step outside his mind and see that he is actually doing a lot of really terrible things, and has done nothing to 'deserve' happiness.