What's going on with Strong Belwas?
Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:48 PM
Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:20 PM
Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:28 PM
Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:31 PM
Also his habit of letting the enemy cut him before the fight begins is going to bite him first time he fights a man with poison or rust on his spear tip or his wound gets infected like Drogos did. Having a belly cut in the arena gets cleaned and tended fast in a semi-sanitary enviroment, out in the field, those same wounds will be left to fester without proper means to keep it clean.
And also like Barristan said, pit fighters don't make good bodyguards for all the reasons he mentioned. The best thing I could see Dany using Belwas for is precisely what he was used for at Meereen, to kick the ass of enemy fighters and champions one on one. He would also be great for trial by combat, use him as your champion and you are innocent every time.
Of course this is all a bit of a moot point at the moment, last time we saw the guy he was withered away to almost nothing from those poison locusts but no doubt he will recover in time, he was quite hardy.
As to his loyalty, I think it has something to do with him being a slave most his life and her being a person who frees slaves. She is like a hero to him in a way and so he follows her devoutly. She seems so passionate and driven by her desire to do the right thing, and thats probably something Belwas isn't used to seeing where he comes from as everyone is interested in power, money, etc and don't care about the little people, let alone the slaves. Dany treats everyone like a human being until they prove themselves otherwise. Its like what Varys said about Ned, that he forgets that Ned is a truely honorable man because he has never actually met someone like that before in Kings Landing. Belwas has never met anyone like Dany before and her outlook and personality is refreshing to him and inspires loyalty. I don't believe that Belwas will turn on her, more likely at this point he would turn on Illyrio if it came to that.
Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:33 PM
Regarding his loyalty, never really thought to immediately question it myself. I suppose he follows her on account that he can be his real self as an individual and fighter, instead of an image that he is required to follow in order to please others.
Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:41 PM
Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:03 PM
Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:09 PM
Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:21 PM
Agreed about Strong Belwas letting people cut him is going to bite him in the ass. He ever tried that with someone like The Red Viper...
Edited by Darth Pipes, 21 February 2012 - 11:22 PM.
Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:28 PM
Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:41 PM
These arguments seem to be a little unfair. People think characters like Strong Belwas wouldn't be able to win against a knight because of armor. Give Strong Belwas a set of plate armor and a warhammer and see what happens.
Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:42 PM
I disagree. I think being a guard is what he is more suited for. He is more likely to have a one on one fight this way, which is what he is used to. He also isn't asked to work as a unit with others which is what he would be asked ot do in a van. From what we know Belwas has very little war experience, I just don't know how well his fighting style would transfer to a Westeros style war. I could see the knights riding him down within seconds. He would be much more suited to be a Champion like he was used in the books and in a rear guard.
Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:47 PM
The armor is exactly why Belwas would lose, we saw the same thing with Khrazz. Khrazz was faster and stronger than Barristan but his lack of skill fighting against a man with armor was his downfall. This would happen to Belwas as well as he just isn't used to fighting men in armor.
You can't just give Belwas armor and a knights weapon and expect hiim to all the sudden fight like a knight, it takes tons of training to become a knight and i seriously doubt Belwas would change his ways enough to learn, just judging from his actions in the books. You don't know what would happen, the armor would without a doubt slow him down and as we saw in the books he was dodging his opponent at the last possible second, with armor he's getting a lance to the chest because he's slowed down. Also Belwas has likely never used a war hammer so we don't know how well he would wield it. Do you really expect Belwas to put on armor anyway?
Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:51 PM
Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:07 AM
He's probably slick and intelligent.
Never trust a man who speaks in the third person.
Barristan seems true and trustworthy, but I wondered if he might end up being the "love betrayal guy" if indeed Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne--since never acting on his love seems his great regret. Might that induce him to support Young Griff, partly fror love of Ashara?
Maybe the whole kicking him out of the Kings Guard was a staged ruse, and he's still being mindlessly loyal whoever sits on the iron throne.
Maybe the treachery doesn't involve killing or undercutting Dany until she's served a certain purpose for someone's interests.
You guys are making me paranoid.
Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:44 AM
Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:09 AM
Because he is. Arianne tells Ser Arys of the KG to beware Areo, b/c "he is terrible when he roused" -- this is the princess whose uncle is the Red Viper.
Dornish fighters in general seem very fierce and quick, and they don't seem to use as much armor as other Westerosi knights, which not only gives them speed but also shows a certain lack of fear of getting wounded, or perhaps confidence in their martial skillz.
Areo wears NO armor, sleeps with his six foot axe, and has a reputation in the Dornish court for being pretty much invincible.
When we get his own POV, he is supremely confident of being able to take down anybody -- when he sees Arys, he regrets the day when they'll fight, b/c he thinks of how his head will go flying with one sweep of his axe (lo and behold, that very thing happens) and when Obara tries to bypass Hotah to get to Prince Doran when he is sitting in the Water Gardens, he thinks "she will not pass", and regrets the possibility of fighting her; his thoughts are that Obara believes she can take him, but it'll be her blood on the pink marble.
He is also captain of the Prince's guards -- that says something in itself. He is sort of like Doran's 7-in-1 KG, except absolutely loyal, devoted, and non-manipulative.
Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:11 AM
Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:47 AM
What I want is a talk show with Strong Belwas and Hodor.
Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:16 PM