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[DanteGabriel]

Family Guy is a liberal show?

Oh, fuck it, I don't have the energy to unpack more patronizing overprivileged middle class white people's ideas of what we Orientals are allowed to be pissed off about.

Edited by DanteGabriel, 26 February 2012 - 01:52 PM.

[Arrogant Bastard]

str8 outta Old Town, on 26 February 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Family Guy is constantly described as a liberal show (I'm not a liberal by the way, they are far too right wing for me), and it is aimed at a media-savvy left-ish young urban audience. Exactly the same people who laugh at family guy´s racial jokes agonise about whether the man over there is black or wearing a red tie. How do you know that these guys were not playing with racial stereotypes for humourous effect rather than displaying "racist" attitudes?

Anyway, the only real shame in this is that a man has lost his job... and I love the comments writing off the fact he's married to an Asian, as if familiarity and respect for a culture can be no excuse for transgressing the RULES of public discourse.

Who describes Family Guy as a liberal show aimed at "media savvy leftish young urban audiences". That sounds like a load of crap you made up. Family Guy is a shitty show with a liberal creator that just recycles the same lame jokes over and over and mostly appeals to college frat boys. So don't try to use Family Guy as some example of racial hypocrisy in America, you know absolutely nothing about racism in the United States.

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

str8 outta Old Town, on 26 February 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Anyway, the only real shame in this is that a man has lost his job... and I love the comments writing off the fact he's married to an Asian, as if familiarity and respect for a culture can be no excuse for transgressing the RULES of public discourse.

Do you honestly believe that writer didn't understand his own "joke"? He knew what he was doing and it cost him his job.

[Verboten]

str8 outta Old Town, on 26 February 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Anyway, the only real shame in this is that a man has lost his job... and I love the comments writing off the fact he's married to an Asian, as if familiarity and respect for a culture can be no excuse for transgressing the RULES of public discourse.

You can be married to and interact with Asians all day and still be racist and ignorant. Confronting the ignorance of someone you like is a stressful experience, and may ruin friendships. After a while you just get used to it and shrug it off because you want to have a good time and they won't listen anyway. Using your wife as a human shield against accusations of racism that may have actually hurt her personally is absolutely disgusting behavior.

[str8 outta Old Town]

Arrogant Bastard, on 26 February 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

Who describes Family Guy as a liberal show aimed at "media savvy leftish young urban audiences". That sounds like a load of crap you made up. Family Guy is a shitty show with a liberal creator that just recycles the same lame jokes over and over and mostly appeals to college frat boys. So don't try to use Family Guy as some example of racial hypocrisy in America, you know absolutely nothing about racism in the United States.

I'm not talking about the quality of the show, but I think it's beyond doubt that Family Guy has a liberal attitude. The character of Brian is the author's voice, and the number of digs it gets in at the right, the Iraq War, and Bush put it clearly on the left. Its social attitudes are generally leftish as well, it plays with homophobia and racism in a subversive way. But that said it does put racist jokes in the mouths of its characters far more extreme than anything said about this whatever-ball player.

Below are a few links of others who think family guy is liberal.

http://www.debate.or...ins-the-show/1/
http://www.tv.com/sh...al-443-1258215/
http://abcnews.go.co...uy-party-shift/
http://www.google.co...QdkIi3EVz7vo-sg

[str8 outta Old Town]

Verboten, on 26 February 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

You can be married to and interact with Asians all day and still be racist and ignorant. Confronting the ignorance of someone you like is a stressful experience, and may ruin friendships. After a while you just get used to it and shrug it off because you want to have a good time and they won't listen anyway. Using your wife as a human shield against accusations of racism that may have actually hurt her personally is absolutely disgusting behavior.

Or do you not think it's more likely that people who interact regularly with people of other races and feel comfortable with them are less likely to have a broomstick up their arses about the whole question?

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

And satiric cartoons = Sports Media?

[Verboten]

str8 outta Old Town, on 26 February 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Or do you not think it's more likely that people who interact regularly with people of other races and feel comfortable with them are less likely to have a broomstick up their arses about the whole question?

When they write headlines using racial slurs, no.

[str8 outta Old Town]

DanteGabriel, on 26 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Oh, fuck it, I don't have the energy to unpack more patronizing overprivileged middle class white people's ideas of what we Orientals are allowed to be pissed off about.

Interwebs are funny things. By American definitions, the only one of those adjectives that applies to me is patronising.

[DanteGabriel]

str8 outta Old Town, on 26 February 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

Interwebs are funny things. By American definitions, the only one of those adjectives that applies to me is patronising.

How about "guy who doesn't know what he's talking about, assumes distributing leaflets immunizes him from racist thinking, comes into a thread about anti-Asian racism throwing out the word Oriental, tries to use Family Guy as a barometer for race in America, and betrays a deeply tokenistic way of thinking about race relations"?  Is that specific enough for you?

Edited by DanteGabriel, 26 February 2012 - 02:20 PM.

[Arrogant Bastard]

Verboten, on 26 February 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

When they write headlines using racial slurs, no.

Just to clear things up, the guy who said his wife was Asian was not fired and was not the guy who used "chink in the armor" in a headline. He was suspended for 30 days for using the phrase when discussing Lin on Sportscenter, and from the clip I saw of it I don't think he intended to make a joke out of the racial slur, he just used a common phrase in a bad context. The guy who wrote it as a headline was rightly fired by ESPN.

str8 outta Old Town, on 26 February 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

I'm not talking about the quality of the show, but I think it's beyond doubt that Family Guy has a liberal attitude. The character of Brian is the author's voice, and the number of digs it gets in at the right, the Iraq War, and Bush put it clearly on the left. Its social attitudes are generally leftish as well, it plays with homophobia and racism in a subversive way. But that said it does put racist jokes in the mouths of its characters far more extreme than anything said about this whatever-ball player.

Below are a few links of others who think family guy is liberal.

http://www.debate.or...ins-the-show/1/
http://www.tv.com/sh...al-443-1258215/
http://abcnews.go.co...uy-party-shift/
http://www.google.co...QdkIi3EVz7vo-sg

Ok, these links are crap. The abcnews says family guy is "arguably" liberal. The rest are just random online people, and most of them sound like morons. I'm sure most fans of Family Guy don't even think about politics when watching the show; from the episodes I've seen, it hardly has a liberal agenda, mainly just lame jokes and occasional references to politics. And still, your attempt to point out racial hypocrisy because people offended by a news reporter joking about Asian eyes must watch Family Guy because it's aimed at liberals is just really dumb.

[Nukelavee]

Str8 - Don't bother trying.  You are white.  You have no right to ever comment on any form of discrimination, ever.  That seems to be this Board's number one law.

It's literally impossible for you to have any inkling of the experience of being treated badly due to stereotypes, because you are white, and male.  Just admit anything you've ever done, or said, against racism was really an attempt to hide your own deep seated irrational hatred of anybody different.

When people say something is racist here, just nod your head, and say "yes sir, may i have another?"

The Board is right - Us white people own racism.  We invented it, perfected it, and have used it to rule the world forever.   Were it not for us, the world would be peace and harmony and pony rides for all.

Racism is our number one contribution to humanity.  It doesn't exist unless a white person is around.

Because of these facts, I suggest you accept being white, you deserve to sit and let others lecture you on your faults.  It's just, because, hey, other white people who weren't related to you, or who have been in teh grave for a hundred years, indulged in hatred, and, hey, those sins belong to all who follow, forever and ever.

Terms like "round-eye", those are myths.  Even if they aren't (which is an absurd statement to make), there is no way they could ever be considered similar to teh vile slanders we've used on others.  Hearing "I had to beat me up a white boy last night" only means the gentleman saying it saw thru you to your wicked racist soul.

Don't pretend you actually mean what you say, our white tricks no longer fool others.  Asking questions is simply a feeble attempt to whitewash (dear god, how we've spread our filth even into basic language to reinforce our dominance) your real motives, which are to continue to oppress and hurt others.

Remember - your experiences simply don't matter, as they have all been bettered by being a white male.

Racial hypocrisy?  It doesn't exist, because only white males indulge in stereotypes, groundless accusations, or denial of history.  A man who would try and make that arguement, why, he'd like go so far as to try to compare being gay or bisexual to a mental illness like depression or schizophrenia.

Edited by Nukelavee, 26 February 2012 - 03:15 PM.

[Aoife]

It must be such a hard life, being called to account for things you say/do, being surrounded by people who recognise that individual discrimination is nowhere near the same thing as institutional oppression, and being constantly reminded that we're all products of a kyriarchical society. I just don't know how you bear up under the pressure.

[DanteGabriel]

Nukelavee, on 26 February 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Str8 - Don't bother trying.  You are white.  You have no right to ever comment on any form of discrimination, ever.  That seems to be this Board's number one law.

It's literally impossible for you to have any inkling of the experience of being treated badly due to stereotypes, because you are white, and male.  Just admit anything you've ever done, or said, against racism was really an attempt to hide your own deep seated irrational hatred of anybody different.

When people say something is racist here, just nod your head, and say "yes sir, may i have another?"

The Board is right - Us white people own racism.  We invented it, perfected it, and have used it to rule the world forever.   Were it not for us, the world would be peace and harmony and pony rides for all.

Racism is our number one contribution to humanity.  It doesn't exist unless a white person is around.

Because of these facts, I suggest you accept being white, you deserve to sit and let others lecture you on your faults.  It's just, because, hey, other white people who weren't related to you, or who have been in teh grave for a hundred years, indulged in hatred, and, hey, those sins belong to all who follow, forever and ever.

Terms like "round-eye", those are myths.  Even if they aren't (which is an absurd statement to make), there is no way they could ever be considered similar to teh vile slanders we've used on others.  Hearing "I had to beat me up a white boy last night" only means the gentleman saying it saw thru you to your wicked racist soul.

Don't pretend you actually mean what you say, our white tricks no longer fool others.  Asking questions is simply a feeble attempt to whitewash (dear god, how we've spread our filth even into basic language to reinforce our dominance) your real motives, which are to continue to oppress and hurt others.

Remember - your experiences simply don't matter, as they have all been bettered by being a white male.

Racial hypocrisy?  It doesn't exist, because only white males indulge in stereotypes, groundless accusations, or denial of history.  A man who would try and make that arguement, why, he'd like go so far as to try to compare being gay or bisexual to a mental illness like depression or schizophrenia.

I'm crying for you bro.

It's funny you post this after at least two posters have acknowledged a great deal of racism in Asia, but whatever.  The brouhaha over Yahoo submission policies proved pretty well you don't actually read anything that other people write.  I mean come on, str8 himself said he wasn't white, but... yeah, anyway, okay, so you can't comprehend what you read, life must be pretty hard for you when you can't process simple written language, so I'll try not to be so cruel about your deficiencies.  

So yes, the message of this thread is that white people can't have any opinions about racism.  Go on, keep flogging this strawman.  I would hate for you to be denied the pleasure of feeling oppressed and marginalized.

I pledge, from this day forth, to be more sympathetic when some pompous asshat who can't fucking read to save his life and may or may not be white tells me that I'm knee-jerking or oversensitive about racism directed at Asians.

Edited by DanteGabriel, 26 February 2012 - 03:35 PM.

[TerraPrime]

Re: Verboten

Verboten, on 26 February 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

You can be married to and interact with Asians all day and still be racist and ignorant.

No wai!! You lie! There are no white people marrying Asians, particularly in a white male-Asian female pairing, who do that out of racist attitudes about the fetishizing of Asian femininity! If you marry an Asian, you get a get-out-of-jail-free card for life on the racism issue, doncha'know?




Re: Dante

Check out Derailing for Dummies. In specific, these:

You're just over sensitive

You are taking this too personally

Aren't you treating each other worse, anyway?

Anything you can do

You're as bad as they are!

Sounds so familiar, doesn't it?




Re: str8

str8 outta Old Town, on 26 February 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Or do you not think it's more likely that people who interact regularly with people of other races and feel comfortable with them are less likely to have a broomstick up their arses about the whole question?

Let's be clear, then: you think people who're offended by the racialized portrayal of Lin in the media "have a broomstick up (our) arses"?

And, an honest query: If you know that the word "Oriental" is interpreted different in the U.S., why would you insist on using it in a discussion about race issues in the U.S.? Is that to make a point? Or do you just not care that the term is deemed offensive by many here?

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

Luisa Aoiftrazzini, on 26 February 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

It must be such a hard life, being called to account for things you say/do, being surrounded by people who recognise that individual discrimination is nowhere near the same thing as institutional oppression, and being constantly reminded that we're all products of a kyriarchical society. I just don't know how you bear up under the pressure.

On the flip side to that, it must be nice to be able put folks who hold a different opinion than you do in such a neat little box.

[Tempra]

Oh shit, someone mentioned yellow fever.  Time to shut this thread down before Yags comes back.

[Aoife]

Which box is that? Unless you mean "people who hold the same opinion I do" versus "people who do not hold the same opinion I do", in which case well, duh. Everyone does that, and everyone else fits into one of the two. It's sort of like putting people into the boxes "me" and "not me".

I've never said "oh (general) you must be actively racist", that I'm aware. Or even "shitty things can never happen to straight white middle-class cis men." Just "we're all part of a system with inherent biases, built on them and built to sustain them, and unless we're fighting against it, we're letting it continue" and "just because you don't see a problem with something doesn't mean the problem isn't there."

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

Luisa Aoiftrazzini, on 26 February 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Which box is that? Unless you mean "people who hold the same opinion I do" versus "people who do not hold the same opinion I do", in which case well, duh. Everyone does that, and everyone else fits into one of the two. It's sort of like putting people into the boxes "me" and "not me".

It sounded a lot like the "It's a (insert racial minority of your choice) thing, you wouldn't understand" box. Kind of dismissive.

[TerraPrime]

Manhole Eunuchsbane, on 26 February 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

It sounded a lot like the "It's a (insert racial minority of your choice) thing, you wouldn't understand" box. Kind of dismissive.

Yes, there is such a box.

But not all white people get put into it.

Only those who show themselves to not be able to get it.

Makes sense, no?