Samwell's weight problems.Samwell fat
Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:54 AM
but Samwell is still fat? I mean, if they have like aprox 2.000 calories per day of their meals but they burn like 5.000 with all the fighting, climbing and marching stuff... he is supposed to be ,like, muscle gorilla juice head like in half a year.
Sorry for my language, English is not my native.
Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:57 AM
Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:57 AM
Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:24 AM
Okay, so much for that.
I have been wondering the same thing and also believe it is mostly a matter of Sam's self perception. I am sure he weights substantially less now that when he first arrived at Castle Black, but he may still be largely overweight, even if he had been fasting. And I also could imagine that someone like Sam very easily compensates for a large part of his caloric deficit by simply eating a LOT of calorie dense foods (fatty meat and pastries) whenever he gets the chance. I just read the part where he prepares for a couple of days journey and the stuff he lists (hams, sausages, several loaves of bread, etc etc) would be enough to feed a whole garrison.
Additionally what plays a role is here are the standards of Westeros and someone like Sam may not fall into the "morbidly obese" category of people nowadays. The perception of obesity changes with the rising levels of obesity in western cultures and someone who might nowadays be classified as "a little chubby" might have been perceived by the people of Westeros as "fat".
Another little factor may be that the muscles he is building from exercise are very well growing, but you cannot see them under the massive layer of fat, therefore only adding to the impression of a fat person. Many bodybuilders believe they need to eat in a large caloric surplus in order to build lean muscle tissue and only end up looking "bigger" but still less defined. So Sam may still have roughly the same size, yet his body composition (lean body mass versus fat mass) may be leaner now.
But I've been meaning to ask the same, these are the answers I've given myself.
Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:18 AM
Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:19 AM
Fat/muscle ratio has changed for sure,
but because of all the discomfort, fear, cold, muscle aching, I don't think he realized or felt that his body is now a little fitter
Edited by charourou, 24 February 2012 - 08:41 AM.
Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:33 AM
Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:23 PM
Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:30 PM
Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:40 PM
Again, I do agree he probably has lost some weight since being in the NW, but being a steward he doesnt have the intense physical activities that the rangers do, and is probably privy to more food (eating with Maester Aemon and such). I dont think that its just Sam's self perception either since I do believe others reference him as still being fat (though again, probably smaller than he started off)
Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:50 PM
Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:33 PM
MID - ASOS SPOILERS!
I just read
Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:51 PM
Posted 25 February 2012 - 05:37 PM
Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:08 PM
I (in my younger days) did some amateur weight training/body building and would consume around 4,000 calories a day to maintain a decent amount of muscle mass. I'd bet serious soldiers and people who perform constant intense physically demanding activities are up there. 5,000 is a little high (unless the person was like 7 ft tall and 350 lbs of muscle [Gregor?]), but not too crazy, or impossible (although admittedly not typical)
Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:36 PM
5,000 is really not a lot to burn in a day, I'm pretty sure in my collegiate wrestling days I burned more.
Also, I read somewhere that lumberjacks back in the early 20th would burn over 10,000 calories per day.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:51 AM
Those claims of 10.000-12.000 daily calories, however, are largely exaggerated estimates and have never been confirmed. There have been military studies back in the days where there were no human rights (*coughs*) and they burnt up to 6000 calories. But you have to keep in mind that those people were artificially pushed to the very brink of survival, were kept from sleeping and were forced to keep moving. Not even a lumberjack will burn more than those people.
In the times of the lumberjacks there were no devices to measure caloric expenditure the way people can measure it today (CO2 measurements), so it were estimates and not very accurate ones. Michael Phelps is also not taken very seriously in the science world and his claims are most likely made up, guessed or plain lies to get media attention.
In order to have such a tremendous caloric burn, you will have to be extremely fit and conditioned and this will not be a daily burn, but rather an isolated phenomenon for an especially high day. 4000-5000 calories, however, are a realistic estimate given the fact that Samwell has a lot of body weight to carry around, is not conditioned at all (you burn more when your body isn't used to movement) and according to the stories they have been walking all day and sometimes all night. So 5000 is a realistic estimate.
We cannot, however, say anything about his intake, because we never get accurate amounts and we will most likely only get a desciption of one meal per day, not counting breakfast or sausages he kept in his pockets, or or or... Samwell is most likely used to a very high intake and when he complains about hunger, it doesn't necessarily mean he has been eating little. Just less than he is used to.
So, 5000 calories per day is realistic for Samwell when he was on the road north of the wall. Within Castle Black or when he was mounted, it will not have been that high.
(*) I know my expenditure, because I am wearing a Bodymedia Fit device 24 hours and watch my intake as accurate as possible with food scales, etc. So it's not guesswork.
Edited by Ygrette, 26 February 2012 - 04:55 AM.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:11 AM
Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:06 AM
Sam is fat. really fat. Its not just his self esteem. It will take him a long while to get to a normal weight. How long has he been at the wall so far? idk but it cant be that long.
Otherwise, its a detail that GRRM isnt really paying attention to very much.