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[Bastard Walder]

fireeater22, on 24 February 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

It's in the book and show. Cersei tells Eddard that Robert once got her with child, but Jaime found a woman to cleanse her.

Well in the show doesn't she tell Catelyn she had a child by Robert and it died in birth or something?

[Raksha the Demon]

Myrcella has a chance to live if she remains in Dorne or at least betrothed to Trystane; Doran and Ariane might be able to deflect the rage of either Dany or Aegon towards a young Lannister girl if she is betrothed to their cousin.  But don't count out Jon Connington, who has sworn to eradicate Robert Baratheon's bloodline.

I think that Tommen will die, as karmic retribution for his grandfather ordering the deaths of Rhaegar's young children, since both little Rhaenys and Tommen had beloved kittens.  Tommen's being stalked to some degree by Rhaenys' surviving, malevolent cat, named for one of the Targaryen's great dragons, could be read as an ominous portent.

I have a feeling that Tyrion, if he gets his hands on the children, will imprison them in some secure place, actually to protect them and simultaneously keeping them from any attempt to put Tommen back on the throne, but not meaning to kill them.  Someone else will do that, possibly Bronn, to curry favor with either Tyrion or Aegon or Dany; or Jon Connington if he lives that long.  Tyrion will be blamed for the murders of his niece and nephew, as was, rightly or wrongly, Richard III blamed for the deaths of his young nephews in the Tower of London.

I think Bronn could be at least the killer of Tommen because of his conversation with Tyrion after the murder of Robert's infant daughter Barra - Tyrion asked if Bronn could kill an infant at its mother's breast, and Bronn said something like it depended on how much money he was offered.  If Bronn would have no qualms about murdering a baby, then he wouldn't hesitate to murder a ten-or-eleven-year-old boy if the price, or the advantage, was good enough.  Plus, doesn't Tommen know and trust Bronn?  I think so, but I'm not sure.

[Baitac]

Drinking Cersei, on 24 February 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

They can't inherit jack if it's confirmed they're bastards.  They'll just be Tommen and Myrcella Waters.

Aren't they Lannisters? We are not talking about the right to the throne, but to their family's seat.

[Drinking Cersei's Tears]

Baitac, on 24 February 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Aren't they Lannisters? We are not talking about the right to the throne, but to their family's seat.

Not unless Cersei and Jaime got married without anyone knowing.

[Baitac]

You can contest the father of a child, but not its mother. These kids came out of Cersei. They are Lannisters. Since Jamie is their father, they are one hundred percent Lannister. Marriage is irrelevant when it comes to determining their provenance.

[Autopath]

Golden will be their crowns, and golden their shrouds.

[puenboy]

It's possible, but unlikely. GRRM already killed Joff off. I doubt he'd do the same thing twice. It weakens the impact deaths have on the reader.

[Sword of the Morning]

Autopath, on 24 February 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

Golden will be their crowns, and golden their shrouds.

This seals the deal in my opinion.  All of her kids will die and then Cersei will be killed by Jaime.  The valonquar isn't Tyrion but Jaime.

I would be shocked if all of that didn't happen.

[Chalais]

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Is Tommen going to die?

Yup and according to Maggy the Frog its going to be violent, sad but it will make Cersei miserable and even crazier than before, then when Myrcella dies, Queen Cersei the Sociopath will completely lose her mind and be so pitiful and pathetic that when Tyrion comes back with Queen Dany that he'll choke the life out of her as a combo revenge/mercy kill.

The only thing I can't decide is if Jamie should be alive at this point and forced to watch before Dany feeds him to Drogon bit by bit, or if Lady Stoneheart should kill him (after using him to get into the Twins and lynch a whole bunch of Freys).

[GreatJim Umber]

Since so many people are after the crown (Stannis, Dany, Aegon), they're going to have to get rid of him somehow, and since the "he is a bastard born of incest" route hasn't worked, the next easiest pla would be to kill him. So yeah, he is as good as dead.

[clover]

I think all of Cersei's kids go before her.

That is worse than death for her.

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

Valar morghulis.

[Nightfyre]

He will be cast aside as an abomination.

Edited by Nightfire, 26 February 2012 - 12:59 AM.

[Bear Grylls of Skagos]

He will die.And Sansa will be the one behind it.

[Always_En_Garde]

The kid's toast.

[voodooqueen126]

The Question is when?
He came to the throne on the 2/01/300 and as of '6 months after the Red Wedding" in Jaime's sole ADWD chapter, he was still alive.
Do you think Tommen will live out the year?

[Winter's Lady]

I'm afraid he's toast, considering the valonqar prophecy and all. I'm starting to think that he may die at (gone bathsit crazy) Cersei's hands somehow.
Poor Tommen, he only wants to play with his stamps and kitties

[Thunderfist]

I think that Tommen will be killed by the partner of the female cat that Joffrey killed. The cat has probably been plotting his revenge on the Lannisters for years and now that Joffrey is dead, Tommen will face his wrath.

[Dracarya]

Thunderfist, on 14 March 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

I think that Tommen will be killed by the partner of the female cat that Joffrey killed. The cat has probably been plotting his revenge on the Lannisters for years and now that Joffrey is dead, Tommen will face his wrath.

But no, Tommen can't die. He never did anything wrong to anyone or anything! Except beets, but who cares about beets?

[voodooqueen126]

Lady of Oldcastle, on 14 March 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

I'm afraid he's toast, considering the valonqar prophecy and all. I'm starting to think that he may die at (gone bathsit crazy) Cersei's hands somehow.
Poor Tommen, he only wants to play with his stamps and kitties

No I think accidental death... but Cersei will be responsible for sure...
in the epilogoue of ADWD it was mentioned that Cersei's trial was but a few days away.
I suppose Kevan's death will cause a postponement... but I would expect Tommen to be dead within 1 month of Cersei's trial.