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[7OldDrownedRedGodsofLight]

RhaenysBalerion, on 22 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

She never said they had to give her the throne for her pretty purple eyes. She has three dragons.

Stannis wont bend the knee to her - or anyone- for any reason, he'd die first.

[JKeats]

I confess I am slightly irritated by people insisting Stannis would never ever under any circumstances accept somebody else as king or queen.

Donal Noye's dubious assessment doesn't mean much really, so putting that aside, the truth is Stannis is not so inflexible as all that.  He's stubborn sure, but give him a good enough reason to change his plans, and he will.  We've seen exactly this happen more than once.

Would he give up pursuing the throne?  Yes, but only if there is some compelling reason to do so.  One such reason comes readily to mind.  If he became convinced that saving the realm from the Others requires everybody to unite under somebody other than himself, yes of course Stannis would go along with it.

-edit-
I've said this earlier in this very thread, but it bears repeating.  An argument that is NOT compelling is the mere fact of Dany's or Aegon's Targaryen heritage.

Edited by JKeats, 22 June 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[RhaegarTheRed]

Stannis is iron hill break before he bends.

[RhaegarTheRed]

Stannis is iron he'll break before he bends.

Edited by RhaegarTheRed, 09 July 2012 - 01:55 PM.

[Winter's Knight]

7OldDrownedRedGodsofLight, on 22 June 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Stannis wont bend the knee to her - or anyone- for any reason, he'd die first.

That can be arranged.

[Pope Killdragon]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!

Stannis Barantheon will die before he bends the knee.

"Stannis is like iron. Cold and hard and strong. But brittle. he'll break before he bends".

[sunworshipper]

SerFelixCulpa, on 28 February 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Some have mentioned his religious conversion as evidence that he is in fact "flexible."  This is misguided.  Even the conversion to the faith of R'hllor serves to underscore his inflexibility in terms of what he sees as his due. Stannis I believe at some point states that the Seven have never given him what he sees as his due. Thus, to Stannis, here's R'hllor come claiming he is the chosen one, that's obviously what's right, therefore that is the correct religion and he accepts it for that reason.  Stannis betrays none of the behavior we expect of the true zealous convert to a religion such as excessive proselytization, advocating compulsory conversion for his followers, and so forth.  Unlike his wife who in her statements and actions precisely shows that sort of convert's zeal. (And also, that GRRM understands very well what that is and has intentionally chosen not to attribute it to Stannis.)

Interesting.  His rather pragmatic acceptance of R'hllor because the victorious results without a wholehearted zeal reminds me of Constantine the Great and Christianity.

[Aerys Blackfyre]

never

[Lord Mighty Tywin]

Not before who opposes him loose more than fingers...

Either They kneel before him... or will die to make them kneel before him.

Edited by Lord Mighty Tywin, 22 September 2012 - 01:02 PM.

[ellisg]

I don't think he would bend the knee, besides one, and Stannis, could argue Aegon and Dany don't have a claim to the throne as their family no longer sit the chair.

[Rohed]

ellisg, on 22 September 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I don't think he would bend the knee, besides one, and Stannis, could argue Aegon and Dany don't have a claim to the throne as their family no longer sit the chair.

Stannis took his brother's side in the war he can't take thier side. The big deal he made about the lords he gained from his brother that he despised because they "turned cloaks" as well as the repect he had for Cortnay Penrose who would not yield. It's the whole principle of why he is fighting for a kingdom he doesn't want...

The whole he will not bend till he breaks deal kinda forshadows that he wont, but if he does it may be a last min forcefull thing.

[A Book Would Be My Sigil]

Apple Martini, on 27 February 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Not unless they defeated him militarily and/or killed him.

I agree. Stannis sees himself as the legitimate, lawful heir. The Baratheons took he throne by force, yes. And Stannis noted it was a hard decision to choose blood over duty/honor, yes. But he DID choose blood, and his blood DID win the throne. I don't see him thinking the Targ line has a claim anymore.

I think if(when) Stannis realizes he is not AA, is defeated in battle and still lives...he is going to go utterly and completely mad. There's no telling what he'll say and do and it gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about him grinding his teeth as he sets about some desperate, sociopathic course of action. I only hope Davos makes it through relatively unscathed.

[Northern-She-Wolf]

Part of me thinks he will not bend the knee to either, he is too stubborn. The only way I think he would bend the knee if he knows for certain that they would be a good ruler for the realm and that they would not punish him for his part in his brothers uprising.

[Red Woman]

I do think he will bend the knee when faced with Dany and her dragons. He says the hardest choice of his life was having to choose between his king and his brother when Robert rose up in rebellion against Aerys, and I at least got the sense that he chose Robert's side only because of his deep sense of duty to his older brother. If it had been anyone else who rebelled, I don't think there would have been any question of Stannis's loyalty to the Targaryens. Like others have said, however, I think he does believe himself to be Azor Azhai reborn and truly believes that he is the rightful heir to the throne at this point in the game. Something major would have to happen to shake that belief -- i.e. something that makes it clear that someone else is truly the Prince That Was Promised.

Edited by Red Woman, 11 March 2013 - 06:08 AM.

[Sansa in the North]

I think he would bend the knee to Aegon, but not to Dany, because Aegon has a better claim than he does and Dany doesn't. Stannis cares about succession rights, so he would face dragons if he thought he had to.

Edited by Sansa in the North, 11 March 2013 - 06:18 AM.

[IRON BANK]

its my belief that stannis is becoming weak from the shadow baby births, and does'nt have that long left to live. i believe his seat has been taken and from the fact he's always not open to compromise on the subject I dont see him kneeling to any body. he's gonna go out in a blaze of glory.

Edited by IRON BANK, 13 March 2013 - 03:46 AM.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

sunworshipper, on 07 August 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Interesting.  His rather pragmatic acceptance of R'hllor because the victorious results without a wholehearted zeal reminds me of Constantine the Great and Christianity.

YUP!!  when i first read the books I didn't like R'hollor or Stannis because I CANNOT stand those christians who insist their God is the only God and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.  Clearly they are the wrong ones.  And when men in power like Constantine take a controlling religion and use it to spread their own power then they are just proving how wrong it really is.

Having said that, the Red God has proven himself to me a number of times, when Jesus Christ has never once proven anything to anyone save something about becoming the first vampire 2000 years ago.  The Red God is bringing ppl back to life and the shadow babies and the fact the Mel never eats or sleeps, I am convinced R'hollor has some major powers.  But true religions are not a tool, and if they are used as such they loose their original pure powers.  So I think Stannis's path to the iron throne will  have to separate from Mel and her controlling-ass ideals.  If you want to rule a country like Westeros, where everyone worships different shit then you can't take the throne under the sigil of the Red God.  It just doesn't work because the Red God is greedy and insists there are no others and everyone else is just flat out wrong.  Which is a really stupid way to look at things.

[JaTyAdo]

RhaenysBalerion, on 22 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

She never said they had to give her the throne for her pretty purple eyes. She has three dragons.

Ur kidding me ryt?!! With the amount of her 'The seven kingdom is mine!!', 'I am their rightful queen!!'..

[Manderlay]

Stannis will bend the knee, even if he is a hard man he is just and honest, If he learns that he is not Azor Ahai and Danerys will save the seven kingdoms from the others he will bend his knee while grinding his teeth, also she has three dragons and that makes her the rightful ruler of westeros, Aegon may have GC but he doesnt have Dragons

[Hallyington]

It is his by right, His brother conquered the targs.