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[The Knight of ...]

Apple Martini, on 27 February 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

The Iron Throne succession works differently though. Ordinarily — like in taking possession of a lordship or castle — a daughter would come first. But the succession for the Iron Throne doesn't work in the same way. After the Dance of the Dragons, women could only inherit the throne after all possible male claimants were dead.

  Yeah, you're right. I had completely forgotten about that.

[Ashkan Stark]

I don't think he will bend the knee. He will become a king or die trying and that's one of the reasons I like him

[OnionAhaiReborn]

Apple Martini, on 27 February 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

The Iron Throne succession works differently though. Ordinarily — like in taking possession of a lordship or castle — a daughter would come first. But the succession for the Iron Throne doesn't work in the same way. After the Dance of the Dragons, women could only inherit the throne after all possible male claimants were dead.

I can never keep the laws of succession straight, thanks for the info. Not that it really matters anyway, because as you've pointed out it's all in who the Lords Paramount decide to bend the knee to.

[Raksha the Demon]

Dany rules.  Aegon is her heir and marries Shireen; whether or not Stannis agrees (he'll probably be dead).  The son (or oldest daughter if there are no sons) of Aegon and Shireen marries a child of Trystane and Myrcella (or of Arianne if  Myrcella was killed).  Jon Snow broods on the Wall and leads the Night's Watch against those Others who survived dragon-roasting.  

Of course, this is assuming that Arianne does not latch onto Aegon and seduce him into a marriage within a week of their first meeting...

[Serie]

stan the man does not bend the knee. he only grinds the teeth

[Petyr Middlefinger Baelish]

I would like to think that if Dany landed in Westeros with three dragons, an army of unsullied and a Dothraki horde he would bend the knee just because I want him to live and rule happily in Storm's End, but that's not the Stannis I've come to admire. With Mel puffing up his ego by telling him he is AA he will never give up his cause. If he sees himself as the savior of mankind it is no longer a battle for the iron throne, but for the survival of the human race. He can't stop. He won't stop! HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO STOP!

[TheFlayedMan]

He'll break his knee before he bends it.

[Bear Grylls of Skagos]

Sarnius, on 27 February 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

This ******* killed his own Brother, Renly for the stupid crown and if he bends the knee to someone else, what was the point? Renly died for nothing?!

He deserved it .Renly was fucking cheerful about having a  chance to kill Stannis. Fucker thought it would be a nice joke if he declared himself to be the king.

[Lord Varys]

I guess if Stannis is not dead he will be back as major player in the game of thrones at the end of TWoW. While Aegon conquers the Iron Throne in the South, Stannis might crush the Freys and the Boltons, secure the allegiance of the whole North and succeed in bringing the Braavosi into the war on his side. This will him too great a power to simply back down. And, well, the chances of Aegon being fake are 50:50 or worse, at least in his opinion, I guess.

So, no, Stannis Baratheon is not going to bent his knee to Aegon Targaryen.

Daenerys and Jon (as Aegon's trueborn son) could be a different matter, I guess, but neither Daenerys nor Jon will become players or contenders for the Iron Throne in the near future. Dany will not arrive in Westeros in TWoW, nor is Jon's heritage becoming important (it might be finally revealed, though, in the next volume, but most likely only to the reader, not to Stannis or Jon himself).

[FanTasy]

Sarnius, on 27 February 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

This ******* killed his own Brother, Renly for the stupid crown and if he bends the knee to someone else, what was the point? Renly died for nothing?!

Welcome Sarnius, I can understand your frustration. Renly's claim was not as strong as his brother's, but it was a crime and a shame that he was killed.

[The Raven's Teeth]

I don't think that Stannis would bend the knee to anyone.

As far as he is concerned he is the King by right & blood.

[Dark Rider]

I think Stannis is actually more pragmatic than folks believe him to be. When faced with Dragons and a no-win situation I believe he would see the future of the Baratheons as more important than just doing something that would just lead to death for him and all his followers. Westeros is fully aware of what Dragons can do and I don't think there is anyone willing to commit suicide even Stannis.

It would be tantamont to fighting a battle against someone who had a nuke. What would be the point?  You can't defeat Dragons.  Over and over history is filled with those who tried to go up against Valyria and were turned to ash.  Westeros of course couldn't stand against the Dragons.  As far as I know nobody has ever defeated a foe when that foe had Dragons.

Edited by Dark Rider, 27 February 2012 - 02:08 PM.

[Faint]

The House of the Undying indicates he will not bend knee to either. Which, to me at least, should serve as the beginning and ending of the discussion.

[Dark Rider]

Faint, on 27 February 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

The House of the Undying indicates he will not bend knee to either. Which, to me at least, should serve as the beginning and ending of the discussion.

Just read that chapter last night. Where did the House of the Undying indicate that Stannis wouldn't bend a knee?

If he doesn't than Davos is a dead man.

Edited by Dark Rider, 27 February 2012 - 02:15 PM.

[Grand Duke De Nobcheese]

Serie, on 27 February 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

stan the man does not bend the knee. he only grinds the teeth

  Me likey!!!!

[Anna Targaryen]

stannis will most likley die before bending the knee to an one not even jon if he is a targ
i dont see him doing that at all

[Dark Rider]

He'd bend a knee to Jon rather than face Dragons.  Stannis never really was gun-ho about Robert's rebellion he went with it, because Robert was his older brother. I think Jon and Robert could broker an understanding.

[Faint]

Dark Rider, on 27 February 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

Just read that chapter last night. Where did the House of the Undying indicate that Stannis wouldn't bend a knee?

The fact that Daenerys is talked about as having to "slay the lie" when it comes to 'Aegon' and Stannis does not speak well to Stannis bending the knee to either.

[Apple Martini]

Faint, on 27 February 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

The fact that Daenerys is talked about as having to "slay the lie" when it comes to 'Aegon' and Stannis does not speak well to Stannis bending the knee to either.

Splitting hairs, but "slaying a lie" doesn't necessarily have to point to "slaying a person," does it?

[Faint]

Apple Martini, on 27 February 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Splitting hairs, but "slaying a lie" doesn't necessarily have to point to "slaying a person," does it?

I suppose but, at least when it comes to Stannis, the way Asha thought about him in ADwD seemingly indicates he will never give up his quest. There is this part in the series, I forget which of the characters was the speaker but I’m almost sure it was said to Jon, where Stannis and Robert were compared, and Stannis was spoken of as being too hard and brittle, destined to ultimately break before giving way. Since then I’ve always been of the opinion that his ultimate fate is to be crushed underfoot by Daenerys.

Edited by Faint, 27 February 2012 - 02:47 PM.