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[Silverin]

Miriamele, on 10 May 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

She might become better with handling everyday matters with more maturity and experience.

i actually think this won't happen. As I said when I was reading her chapters I got impression that she hated it, because of that she became fustrated and made wrong decisions. I think all of her Meereen arc was for her to realise that she does not want to be a sitting ruler. And how she was thinking that she is fire and blood and that dragons don't plant trees. I think she won't. It doesn't mean that she won't give power in the hands to others who will plant. The more I read her chapters the more sure I am that she is mainly a good conqueror. She has both the charisma, power, personality and temper for it.
And after all if she chooses good Hand and council she really won't need to get into the everiday matters.

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But you are right, she needs a good Hand and Council. Someone suggested in another thread that Stannis might become Dany's Hand in the end. (That's how he will sit on the Iron Throne). It would probably be a good solution. He has the qualities Dany lacks while Dany has passion and charisma he lacks.

They would certainly make a good pair.
But yeah everyone talks like all you need is ONE person the good ruler for Westeros, I say people should forget about Aragon. One person is not enogh to govern a country, and even in absolute monarchies there certainly were people behind the scenes, advisers, friends, who did influence the kings/queens, sometimes their names were known sometimes they weren't.
My personal opinion is that though that there will be no Iron Throne. That there will be separate Kingdoms. And Dany 1. Queen of Dragonstone, 2. Queen of Essos, 3. dies heroic death, 4. dies because she is a threath to the people of Westeros (someone assassinates her, or wins in a fight against her), 5. dies giving birth to a child? (I bet you heard about this theory). I think there could still so many thing happen, and she can go into a lot of different direction.

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I don't think she is going mad actually. She is going to come to terms with her own nature, not trying to be something she isn't and also learn from her mistakes. It's really the trait of insecure leaders to try to be nice and please their subordinates and when this results in chaos they lash out in frustration. And of course if they have absolute power it can result in extreme cruelties. It's also similar to what Theon did in Winterfell. He started killing because he couldn't control the situation.

I agree.
I don't think she is going mad either.

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Yes, she is delusional but look at William the Conqueror or Napoleon, they also attacked other countries and caused thousands of people to die because they believed they were entitled to do so.

Well I hope she won't do the same to Westeros, but I fear she might will.

[wotad]

dany will become the queen :3 she has dragons mwhahha

Edited by wotad, 11 May 2012 - 02:40 AM.

[wotad]

After A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, and A Storm of Swords, Martin originally intended to write three more books. The fourth book, tentatively titled A Dance with Dragons, was to focus on Daenerys Targaryen's return to Westeros and the associated conflicts. Martin wanted to set this story five years after A Storm of Swords so that the younger characters could grow older and the dragons grow large

if this is true then its certain she makes it back

[winterdirewolf]

I don't know why everyone thinks to rule you have to be a saint.  There are some nasty things that have to get done as a ruler.  

I think she could definitley do it with a little wisdom and aging on her side.

Edited by winterdirewolf, 11 June 2012 - 12:38 AM.

[IRON BANK]

In a word yes Dany story line is grooming her for rulership. she starts out with nothing makes several mistakes along the way and is building confidence, supporters, cities, and armies along the way.  I feel that this is going to eventually lead toward a hard line view.  mixed with some compassion when needed.  because sometimes Dany has a way of togue and cheek when its not necessary.  Sometimes you got drop some bodies. for instance to hostages in slavers bay she refuses to kill let alone the royal families who are still living that are in open opposition.  Once dany learns ruling takes than winning and leaving. It takes authority with a view of real retribution for dissent which i know some Khals at he end of dance are about to find out. Once she returns w/ Drogon after more than likely her dragons are stolen you'll see essos submit this upcoming battle is for all of it.

[Nictarion]

Bright Blue Eyes, on 29 February 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

Dany as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms gives me nightmares. As much as fiction could. Because, honestly, she is ignorant and on the best way to become a worse tyrant than Aerys and Joffrey ever were.

Ridiculous statement! I truly think some of you people just go along with all the Dany hate only because that is what is popular on this forum at the moment.  Sure Dany made some mistakes in Slavers bay but what characters haven't made mistakes? To actually say she would be worse than Joffrey, what books are you reading? I think her experiences in Mereen will actually prepare her to be a good queen of Westeros, as she can learn from her mistakes and realize it will not be easy or just assume being a Targ will be enoung and that she will have to be fair and just queen

[jon stark I]

Dany can't rule Westeros.

[Nictarion]

Apple Martini, on 10 May 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

I have no tolerance for torturers and murderers. But it's your call.

That is pretty naive. Like most countries leaders don't use torture and murder during wartime still to this day.Yes of course we have the Geneva convention but I still think when it comes down to getting information a lot of nasty methods are still used. As far as murder what leaders don't use murder as part of their arsenal?

Edited by Nictarion, 14 March 2013 - 01:41 AM.

[RKOpanther]

jarl the climber, on 29 February 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

I don't think that Danys experiences in Slavers Bay will be that relevant to how she might rule in Westeros. I agree that most of her knowledge about Westeros came from Viserys but that isn't her fault, it seems likely that she will have more knowledgable advisors by the time this happens, the question is whether or not she listens to them.

The problem Dany might have is how she is perceived. Ser Barristan is popular in Westeros, so his association with her might be helpful. But the rest of the people around her or heading towards her don't seem to bw well regarded. Tyrion is a kinslayer, Victorian is a pirate, Ser Jorah was a slaver and a spy, Marwyn the mage is outside the mainstream for a maester. If Moqourro sticks with her that might hurt, he is a red preist. If she brings a bunch of Dothraki with her that will be a problem, the Unsullied are well behaved but people will tell stories. Ser Barristaan is the only one who would be popular and her enemies might try to accuse him of conspiring with Dany to kill Robert Barratheon. Even if Dany rules well she still might be hated.

Your right abot Barristaan he would be a huge plus to have at Danys side when she meets the lords of Westeros but I think Barristaan is fated to die in Danys stupid war for Meeren.

[RKOpanther]

Lord Damian, on 29 February 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

I hope she never acheives her goal of becoming queen of Westeros but I must conceed the build up in this series is one that suggests whe will mount the iron throne, atleast for a brief time. We have seen that deserving to hold the throne has nothing to do with whom does hold it. i get a feeling that the people of westeros will be exhausted and worn out from fighting each other and possilby "THE" others, I could see her sailing or flying in, taking a undefended King's Landing without having to throw a spear and proclaiming herself the savior of Westeros, while the real heros will have already died or just finished fighting too far away to stop her. Trust me, her character is that ignorant and arrogant. This would be the worst ending of all.

It's gonna happen or all of Westeros get on the same page to fight the Others somehow and during this Dany shows up with her whole "im the Blood of the Dragon, kneel to me" crap and Westeros will fall as a result.

[IRON BANK]

Dany will be queen of the storm lands, Dorne, and slavers bay.  I dont feel she will be ruling the Seven kingdoms however we already know half the lords won't accept her rule.  The Usurpers dogs have been trying to kill her since the beginning of the book.  If Dany does rule the seven kingdoms, it can't be much worse than whats going on there now.  King robert. Cersie, joffrey, and Tywin are terrible rulers.

Edited by IRON BANK, 26 May 2013 - 02:18 AM.

[RKOpanther]

Nobody could be worse than Joffrey on the throne. Killing Ned Stark ,all my Stark favouritism aside, was just stupid as it caused the North to rebel. If Dany for some reason finds a Stark and executes them then she will be worse than Joffrey but I cant see that happening.

[Littlefinger Baelish]

Hodor would make a better ruler than Dany. It is known.

[IRON BANK]

Littlefinger Baelish, on 26 May 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hodor would make a better ruler than Dany. It is known.

we would know all the laws, rules, decrees, and judgments before hand.

[wizardface]

Gingerly Grumkin, on 29 February 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

why? Because she frees slaves? Or is it because she shuts down the primitive "coliseum" where they feed Dwarvs to Lions? Or maybe its the fact that she considers every farmer/worker to be her child and even if they are sick she will help them? How in the 7 hells does she give you nightmares? I mean... have you seen your avatar?

agreed. ^

[King Aegon The Conqueror]

PatrickStormborn, on 29 February 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Daenerys is one of the most central characters to the series. This is a series about Westeros. Do you think she's not even going to set foot there? Really?

yup. her storyline is one of the 3 main storylines the other 2 being the rise of the others and the fight for the ironthrone between different houses. i just find it extremely ridiclous people thinking she wont get to westeros. i personally want to see her sitting her non the iron throne in the end but there is no denying the fact she will DEFINITELY sit on the iron throne even if that means for a brief time before she dies which i hope not. and if she does die then i quit reading a song of ice and fire. as for her landing to westeros i reckon she'll land there by the end of the winds of winter. she has many cities to travel through before making her 'landing'. i also hope she pays old valyria a visit and sees the remnants of her long forgotten kingdom.



Was it a rash decision? Yes, of course it was. But was it the right one? I believe so, and I'm sure every slave that she freed would agree.

[Caelestis]

While Danaerys may use cruel methods from time to time to combat or punish what she sees as injustice, it's absolutely ridiculous to say she would make a worse ruler of the Seven Kingdoms than Joffrey: Joffrey was a spoiled, psychotic brat with zero political acumen, whose idea of ruling was absolute tyranny. Dany, on the other hand, has shown herself to take action for the good of others: particularly, for those who are less fortunate than herself. Eventhough she doesn't always take the right actions, she definitely demonstrates concern for the people that she's trying to rule - a quality that neither Viserys, Joffrey, Cersei, Balon, Euron or arguably even Renly seem to possess. No one was forcing Dany to try and end slavery. She even stayed behind in Meereen to take charge of the situation and learn how to become a better ruler - again, most kings or queens in this series wouldn't give a flying fuck.

Honestly, I still believe much of this Dany backlash to be the result of frustration with her arc in Slaver's Bay, rather than an actual, honest appraisal of her actions. No one seemed to complain when Dany stole the Unsullied and started beating down all opposition in Slaver's Bay, eventhough it had nothing to do with her goal to take back the Iron Throne. Only now, when the going gets tough and we start to see the real challenges of changing a cultural practice that is deeply embedded in a society, does Dany start to get flak. I'm willing to bet that, had Dany just burned all the slavers with dragonfire and magically ended slavery without any difficulties before moving onto Westeros, no one would condemn her actions: she would be hailed as a righteous liberator, who takes a stand against injustice and would make a good, responsible ruler of the Seven Kingdoms. If, however, she'd left for Westeros immediately and we later heard that Slaver's Bay crashed and burned, she would be called a careless moron who clearly can't think 5 seconds ahead.

It's interesting just how difficult George R.R. Martin makes it for us to judge her character: is it one's actions that truly matter and whether or not they're succesful? Or is it the intention behind one's efforts that determines who someone truly is?

But despite being a fan of Danaerys, I highly doubt her story will end with her sitting on the Iron Throne, having gloriously defeated the Others, brought peace to the Seven Kingdoms, solved every issue and beloved by all. Quite the contrary, in fact. Since it's all but confirmed that there will be a second Dance of the Dragons between Danaerys and 'Aegon', I believe Dany will come out the victor and briefly sit the Iron Throne. However, her reign will not be wholeheartedly accepted: 'Aegon', despite probably being a fake, will likely be seen as Rhaegar's great son who brought order and stability back to Westeros after the imminent collapse of the Lannister/Tyrell regime; Dany, on the other hand, will be a crazy usurper with terrifying dragons, who stole the throne from her nephew, who torched a Prince of Dorne, bringing an army of strange eunuchs, foreign mercenaries, Dothraki and Ironborn to Westeros. All while being advised by that horrible, deformed, king-slaying, kin-slaying dwarf. If on top of all this, Dany embraces the Red Faith to gain the support of the Red Priests to end slavery in Essos, well... Danaerys will have lost the Iron Throne before she even took it.

And most likely, the horrible irony of all this will be that Dany had nothing but the best of intentions. I'm very certain that GRRM has been setting Daenerys up as the antagonist from the very beginning, in order to explore our perception of evil. In real life, there are no clear heroes and villains. The tragedy will be that Dany will go down in history as a monster, despite doing what she believed to be right. Good and evil very much depend on our perception and rather than using the cliché evil overlord (as in so many works of fiction), GRRM is using Danaerys to drive this home.

[King Zee]

Caelestis, on 26 May 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

But despite being a fan of Danaerys, I highly doubt her story will end with her sitting on the Iron Throne, having gloriously defeated the Others, brought peace to the Seven Kingdoms, solved every issue and beloved by all. Quite the contrary, in fact. Since it's all but confirmed that there will be a second Dance of the Dragons between Danaerys and 'Aegon', I believe Dany will come out the victor and briefly sit the Iron Throne. However, her reign will not be wholeheartedly accepted: 'Aegon', despite probably being a fake, will likely be seen as Rhaegar's great son who brought order and stability back to Westeros after the imminent collapse of the Lannister/Tyrell regime; Dany, on the other hand, will be a crazy usurper with terrifying dragons, who stole the throne from her nephew, who torched a Prince of Dorne, bringing an army of strange eunuchs, foreign mercenaries, Dothraki and Ironborn to Westeros. All while being advised by that horrible, deformed, king-slaying, kin-slaying dwarf. If on top of all this, Dany embraces the Red Faith to gain the support of the Red Priests to end slavery in Essos, well... Danaerys will have lost the Iron Throne before she even took it.

And most likely, the horrible irony of all this will be that Dany had nothing but the best of intentions. I'm very certain that GRRM has been setting Daenerys up as the antagonist from the very beginning, in order to explore our perception of evil. In real life, there are no clear heroes and villains. The tragedy will be that Dany will go down in history as a monster, despite doing what she believed to be right. Good and evil very much depend on our perception and rather than using the cliché evil overlord (as in so many works of fiction), GRRM is using Danaerys to drive this home.

I agree with this.