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[Revan Baratheon]

There was a thread in ADWD section a while back that claimed lightbringer was the horn which summoned dragons.This got me thinking that might the dragons be lightbringer themselves?
(Assumption:Dany=AA)So the story of lightbringer is that the guy kills his beloved wife to forge the blade.This implies great personal sacrifice "to create" LB,which Dany has already undergone by drogo and rhaego's death.Also wasnt LB created by blood sacrifice?(AA used his wife's blood to temper the blade)Which dany has also done....
Lastly according to mel,that comet signifies the return of AA,this coment coincides with the return of the true LB(dragons) and dragons can provide heat of their own(which stannis's LB couldnt)Anyway this theory makes more sense(to me) than the entire NW being LB.Thoughts?

[jarl the climber]

My theory is that Lightbringer reforged is Jon Snows tounge.

[Fire Eater]

The characteristics used to describe Lightbringer can describe dragons (shone and radiated heat).

I can't say with confidence if Lightbringer is a dragon or an enchanted sword, or something else like the NW.

Edited by Fire Eater, 09 May 2012 - 07:43 PM.

[Moshtradamus]

wow. really never thought of any of that. but now that i do think about it (regardless of the fact that i realllly do not want Dany to be AA) i personally think it makes a lot of sense.


Dany killed Drogo and used his blood to "temper" (hatch) her "lightbringer" (dragons) ...


the more i think about it, the more this AA theory makes sense above all the others.

[sarah.jenice]

I like this theory as well, and I've seen other evidence to support it with Dany's other tries to hatch the dragon eggs on the braiser and being unsuccessful. The third try is her walking into the pyre, and that was successful.

I also think it is significant that Dany herself walked into the flames, and she definitely made a sacrifice to equal Nissa Nissa by sacrificing Drogo and Rhaego. And her biggest, fiercest dragon is named after Drogo.

It honestly wouldn’t bother me if this was what happened because I would prefer a figurative Lightbringer to it actually being a sword.

Edited by sarah.jenice, 02 March 2012 - 08:21 PM.

[chris999]

According to Quaithe, Dany still has to 'pass beneath the shadow' of Asshai. If she turns out to be AA, i think that LB is something that she will find there.

The more I think about it, the more I think that she is not AA because if she has to go all the way to Asshai, then she will probably never even make it to Westeros before the series ends.

I do have to admit that the dragon's as LB theory makes sense. She did have to kill Drogo and burn him on the pyre in order to hatch the eggs, and the dragons surely can produce their own heat. Interesting theory.

Edited by chris999, 02 March 2012 - 09:22 PM.

[Know Face Man]

The Dragons are Lightbringer. Its pretty clear that Dragons would be the best weapon against the Others. That is the purpose of Lightbringer

The first Lightbringer was a Sword (I believe its Dawn) the Dragons are a new Lightbringer.

[PatrickStormborn]

I've always thought that this theory is the most plausible. But I don't think Drogo was her Nissa Nissa. I think Rhaego, Drogo and her home with the Dothraki were all a form of Nissa Nissa, as they were the three things that comprised her identity prior to the hatching of the dragons.

Dragons are also beneficial against the Others for two reasons:

1) They're "fire made flesh", so are great weapons against wights.
2) They're the only way that Westeros (and the world) will be able to unite.

chris999, on 02 March 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

According to Quaithe, Dany still has to 'pass beneath the shadow' of Asshai. If she turns out to be AA, i think that LB is something that she will find there.

The more I think about it, the more I think that she is not AA because if she has to go all the way to Asshai, then she will probably never even make it to Westeros before the series ends.

I do have to admit that the dragon's as LB theory makes sense. She did have to kill Drogo and burn him on the pyre in order to hatch the eggs, and the dragons surely can produce their own heat. Interesting theory.

Martin has said that we will only being Asshai in flashback. So I don't think Dany will have to go there.

Edited by PatrickStormborn, 03 March 2012 - 06:41 AM.

[Revan Baratheon]

Thanks all,i agree that her nissa nissa must have comprised of all that stuff,as she is never quite happy in the preceding books like she used to be pre-drogo's death.As a conqueror she often felt frustated(in ASOS she slapped mormont and started crying),bitter(in ACOK at one point she almost empathized with Viserys cause she knew now how it felt to be a beggar) and depressed and tired(ADWD).So her happiness truly lied, as patrickstormborn said,with drogo rhaego and the dothraki people.

Just need Apple martini to endorse this theory and it will be confirmed for me!

[Dracarya]

I like the theory, though it's not my favourite it does tie in with another theory I love, and it's certainly plausible. However, I just remembered that someone mentioned that there's no way the dragons could grow big enough to be a large enough threat against the Others, not with the pace the story is going at the moment. What do you think about this, are they big enough? And I mean, if they are, great, but what will happen to them afterwards? It's all well and good having Lightbringer and saving the world, but these are ferocious creatures that surely need a purpose afterwards.

Picking holes is what I do, 'cos I'm not smart enough to come up with shit on my own

[PatrickStormborn]

Fire&Blood, on 03 March 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

I like the theory, though it's not my favourite it does tie in with another theory I love, and it's certainly plausible. However, I just remembered that someone mentioned that there's no way the dragons could grow big enough to be a large enough threat against the Others, not with the pace the story is going at the moment. What do you think about this, are they big enough? And I mean, if they are, great, but what will happen to them afterwards? It's all well and good having Lightbringer and saving the world, but these are ferocious creatures that surely need a purpose afterwards.

Picking holes is what I do, 'cos I'm not smart enough to come up with shit on my own

Remember that there was supposed to be a five year gap, meaning that the dragons would have been about seven years old by the end of where ADWD left off. They'll never reach the size of Balerion et al., but they're certainly big enough to be a threat to the Others, in my opinion.

But, like I said, even if they're not big enough to fight the Others, they're still the only way I can see Westeros being united. A united Westeros (and Essos) is the only thing that can defeat the Others, I believe.

[Bear Grylls of Skagos]

I am sure the dragons are the lightbringer.
The first dragon will be killed by Victarion so as to claim the horn and the other dragon
The second dragon will be killed by Jaime(the lion) to protect his king probably
The third dragon will the be the Lightbringer which is Drogon.
And Apple Martini also pointed that the three heads may also be a warg, a rider and a dragon.

[Dracarya]

PatrickStormborn, on 03 March 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

Remember that there was supposed to be a five year gap, meaning that the dragons would have been about seven years old by the end of where ADWD left off. They'll never reach the size of Balerion et al., but they're certainly big enough to be a threat to the Others, in my opinion.

But, like I said, even if they're not big enough to fight the Others, they're still the only way I can see Westeros being united. A united Westeros (and Essos) is the only thing that can defeat the Others, I believe.

Yeah but that gap didn't happen - if it did, I could totally see them being big enough. I just don't know in this case, as they're only going to be what, 3 years old? I get a bit confused; seeing as Dany managed to ride Drogon, he must be pretty big. I agree with you about the united Westeros is the way to defeat the Others, but how do you think the dragons will unite them? Because Dany is pretty much the undisputed heir to the throne? And she wouldn't be disputed much coming over with 3 dragons, to be fair

ETA: To be clear, I think they'd be a very good weapon against the Others at the size they are now, and if they could grow even bigger in the time it takes Dany to cross to Westeros, I don't dispute that they'd be very effective. I'm just not 100% on how effective they'd be on their own.

Edited by Fire&Blood, 03 March 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[Black Crow]

The dragons are the biggest threat to Westeros, closely followed by the Dothraki Screamers, the Ironbound and any other murderous scum attaching themselves to Dany's banner.

[ghost the direwolf]

read on the heresy 7 a very interesting theory about lightbringer.

When AA killed  NN, it was an unwilling sacrifice,  she screamed and her cry cracked the moon. we have as well the story from the 2 dorthraky girls about dragons boming from a crack on the moon.
MMD is Dany NN, as her death was an unwilling sacrifice as well which may have helped caused the dragon.

I do like the theory about lightbringer been the dragons. as well as the one been the NW.

[PatrickStormborn]

Fire&Blood, on 03 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Yeah but that gap didn't happen - if it did, I could totally see them being big enough. I just don't know in this case, as they're only going to be what, 3 years old? I get a bit confused; seeing as Dany managed to ride Drogon, he must be pretty big. I agree with you about the united Westeros is the way to defeat the Others, but how do you think the dragons will unite them? Because Dany is pretty much the undisputed heir to the throne? And she wouldn't be disputed much coming over with 3 dragons, to be fair

ETA: To be clear, I think they'd be a very good weapon against the Others at the size they are now, and if they could grow even bigger in the time it takes Dany to cross to Westeros, I don't dispute that they'd be very effective. I'm just not 100% on how effective they'd be on their own.

What I mean is that Martin's intent was for there to be a five year gap, meaning he foresaw the dragons being big enough to fight the Others. He had to scrap the five year gap, but I doubt he changed the role of the dragons.

The Lannisters/Tyrells can't unite the realm. Aegon is probably fake and therefore will go against Daenerys. Stannis doesn't have enough power to conquer the South. Therefore I think dragons are the best hope for Westeros in the face of the Others.

[ARYa_Nym]

ADWD quote:

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"...When your dragons were small they were a wonder. Grown, they are death and devastation, a flaming sword above the world... "

IA that it's LB and that Dawn may have been the first LB. Dawn seems to be the only sword around that we know of that is old enough and the name fits. GRRM was also vague on its history in an SSM.

[Black Crow]

PatrickStormborn, on 03 March 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

What I mean is that Martin's intent was for there to be a five year gap, meaning he foresaw the dragons being big enough to fight the Others. He had to scrap the five year gap, but I doubt he changed the role of the dragons.

The Lannisters/Tyrells can't unite the realm. Aegon is probably fake and therefore will go against Daenerys. Stannis doesn't have enough power to conquer the South. Therefore I think dragons are the best hope for Westeros in the face of the Others.

Nah, the Others (and Jon the Ice Dragon) are the best hope for Westeros in the face of Dany and her Amazing Dragons

Edited by Black Crow, 03 March 2012 - 08:50 AM.

[Dracarya]

PatrickStormborn, on 03 March 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

What I mean is that Martin's intent was for there to be a five year gap, meaning he foresaw the dragons being big enough to fight the Others. He had to scrap the five year gap, but I doubt he changed the role of the dragons.

The Lannisters/Tyrells can't unite the realm. Aegon is probably fake and therefore will go against Daenerys. Stannis doesn't have enough power to conquer the South. Therefore I think dragons are the best hope for Westeros in the face of the Others.

Got'cha. That's certainly a possibility. Thanks for laying it out for me. As you may remember, Dany wouldn't be my first choice for AAR, and so the dragons wouldn't end up being Lightbringer, but I like the idea all the same. I always had the idea that Lightbringer has to be a sword, but I don't suppose it does.

[csm]

The Valonquar., on 03 March 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

I am sure the dragons are the lightbringer.
The first dragon will be killed by Victarion so as to claim the horn and the other dragon
The second dragon will be killed by Jaime(the lion) to protect his king probably
The third dragon will the be the Lightbringer which is Drogon.
And Apple Martini also pointed that the three heads may also be a warg, a rider and a dragon.

Where does this theory come from ?