TrackerNeil Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 http://www.nejm.org/...=featured_homeMore evidence that Medicare spending is slowing:Thanks for this. I predict that, when all is said and done, and assuming the Republican repeal jihad fails, the ACA will one day be regarded as essential as Medicare. Americans will wonder how we got by without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greguh Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Only issue I'd take with this is that generally, it makes much more sense to focus on the problem of violence than on the problem of gun violence.I disagree with this. Gun violence does have this annoying habit of turning fatal a great deal more quickly than most other forms of violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raidne Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Sorry, posting from phone, technical problems. Anyway, gun rights were an open question until the last couple court cases, which fundamentally changed things.So when you say golly gee it's not like laws never change, it sounds kind of stupid because it's about as likely as the Court deciding that the Equal Protection clause doesn't mandate Equal Protection. K is right - it's settled law now. Issue over. Get over it. You can ruminate over what restrictions you want all day long but most of them are going to require an Amendment. Specifically a hand gun ban as that is the one thing the Court has explicitly stated you cannot do. Talking about a handgun ban is literally a waste of breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartTesla Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I'm a crazy librul who likes firing guns too. But at the same time, I'd like to take some guns away from the general populace, have a national registry of owned firearms and possibly tighten up the way third party sales are done.For third party sales (by which i mean one individual selling to another) I'm thinking of something similar to the title of a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Raidne too now?My birthday isn't for another month guys. :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 It's not simplistic. Okay, so there is greater production inelasticity with regard to guns; that doesn't mean that supply wouldn't catch up to demand, and it's not as if the concept of a "gun runner" is a new one.It doesn't mean that supply wouldn't catch up to demand but it would make it far far more difficult for supply to match a high level of demand in the manner seen with recreational drugs.These are very very basic microeconomic principles.Actually the very very basic microeconomic principle would be that in response to the changes in the production environment the supply curve would shift significantly and demand would adjust to the new prices bringing a new equilibrium at potentially a far lower quantity of guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raidne Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Come on T, I've been pro second amendment rights for at least a decade. My parents have a shooting range in the yard, no joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greguh Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 a far lower quantity of guns.But still more than enough to sustain every last bit of gun violence in the country. Demand would plummet, but only among people that value the law to begin with, which has this amazing inverse correlation with potential perpetrators of firearm-related crime. Never mind that we're talking about a magical hypothetical here anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome possum Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Are we really still talking about freaking guns? Like them or don't like them, they're not going anywhere any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupis42 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I disagree with this. Gun violence does have this annoying habit of turning fatal a great deal more quickly than most other forms of violence.I agree in principle, but focusing on gun violence is what has lead some anti-gun activists to suggest that, for example, 2 knife murders/hundred people would be a better society than 1 gun murder/hundred people. Concentrating on causes rather than means usually gives much better results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Demand would plummet, but only among people that value the law to begin with, which has this amazing inverse correlation with potential perpetrators of firearm-related crime.Which market do you think the guns that end up in the black market were originally produced for? It would take time but if there was the political will to take action of course the supply of illegal guns would go down because there's no way that nonindustrialised small scale black market producers are going to be able to match the hundreds of thousands if not millions of guns that apparently pass into the illegal market for guns in the US every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Which market do you think the guns that end up in the black market were originally produced for? It would take time but if there was the political will to take action of course the supply of illegal guns would go down because there's no way that nonindustrialised small scale black market producers are going to be able to match the hundreds of thousands if not millions of guns that apparently pass into the illegal market for gunsin the US every year. But as my original post stated, and as Raidne eloquently confirmed and Kouran ineloquently confirmed, the RIGHT to own a handgun is established law. The same way that freedom of speech is established law. This debate is already won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greguh Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I agree in principle, but focusing on gun violence is what has lead some anti-gun activists to suggest that, for example, 2 knife murders/hundred people would be a better society than 1 gun murder/hundred people. Concentrating on causes rather than means usually gives much better results.Well okay, yeah, that's just fucking stupid. My perspective is, it just so happens that gun violence is the low-hanging fruit in our society when it comes to the murder rate. If we had a spectacular problem with people beating each other to death with avocados, I'd suggest a strategy focusing on reducing avocado-related violence. I'm a pragmatist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 But as my original post stated, and as Raidne eloquently confirmed and Kouran ineloquently confirmed, the RIGHT to own a handgun is established law. The same way that freedom of speech is established law. This debate is already won.And, honestly, I'd rather these nutjobs spend their time advocating against gun-control laws than doing damage somewhere else. Let them have their pistols if it makes them feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 But as my original post stated, and as Raidne eloquently confirmed and Kouran ineloquently confirmed, the RIGHT to own a handgun is established law. The same way that freedom of speech is established law. This debate is already won.Mate I live in the UK where the debate is already won as well. It's a discussion board, I'm sharing my opinion. If we're going to rule out sharing opinions on subjects were the status quo is unlikely to change in the forseeable future I think you're going to have to reconsider posting much on the nature of government in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraPrime Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Talking about a handgun ban is literally a waste of breath.Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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