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[Shryke]

I see FLOW is getting his panties in a twist cause the campaign to smack that hypocritical sex-tourist dickcunt Limbaugh off his podium is working.

Edited by Shryke, 06 March 2012 - 01:36 PM.

[Ormond]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 06 March 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

The latter is sort of the most taboo word we have over in the States.

Actually surveys show the "f-word" to be the most taboo, though you'd never know that by reading this board.

[Arthmail]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 06 March 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

That's a fair point, Ormond. I personally don't have a problem with everything Limbaugh said about her.  She very deliberately chose to put herself out there on this issue, and I think there's a certain amount of license in going after her, though LImbaugh clearly went overboard with some of those comments.  

There is no license in going after her. This is fucking stupid. She is not a public speaker, like Palin, seeking further public status. She is a student called upon to give testimony about what is going on in your bat-shit insane country. If that panel of men, including fucking priests, had just let her talk, she would have said her peace and never been heard from again. The notion that speaking out in public on a position that matters to you is somehow an invitation for vile attacks is retarded, but of course, it is one fully embraced by vast tracts of the morally degenerate Republican party.

But even by admitting that it doesn't matter to you FLOW, it only goes to show how often you feel the need to misdirect the conversation by pointing out something egregious somewhere else. Sure, Maher said some shit about Palin. But he's also a comedian, and he does not have the Democratic leaders shitting in their pants when he says boo, which Rush clearly does.

[Lord O' Bones]

I just wish that Carlos Mencia and Andrew Dice Clay would run for office.

Then bringing up Bill Maher in this thread might make the slightest amount of sense.

[awesome possum]

As usual, Jon Stewart knocks it out of the park:

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"Personally, I don't get too worked up about the things Rush Limbaugh says because he is -- and has been for many years -- a terrible person."

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"To the people who are upset about their hard-earned tax money going to things they don't like: Welcome to the f*cking club," Stewart said. "Reimburse me for the Iraq war and oil subsidies and diaphragms are on me!"

Edited by awesome possum, 06 March 2012 - 02:22 PM.

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

Arthmail, on 06 March 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

There is no license in going after her. This is fucking stupid. She is not a public speaker, like Palin, seeking further public status. She is a student called upon to give testimony about what is going on in your bat-shit insane country.

Not quite.  She wasn't a kid -- she was 30 years old, and an activist on these issues long before she went to Georgetown.  It would have been entirely appropriate to go after her on the grounds I mentioned earlier.  Which do not include claims of promiscuity.  But frankly, I think ridiculing a 30 year old college graduate, currently enrolled in one of the most expensive law schools in the country, because she doesn't want to keep paying $9 a month for birth control, is both appropriate and warranted.

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If that panel of men, including fucking priests, had just let her talk, she would have said her peace and never been heard from again. The notion that speaking out in public on a position that matters to you is somehow an invitation for vile attacks is retarded

No, I'm not saying she deserved vile attacks.  But I think there was plenty of substance there to go after her hard.  A woman of that education and substance whining about $9/month for birth control pills is ridiculous.

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But even by admitting that it doesn't matter to you FLOW, it only goes to show how often you feel the need to misdirect the conversation by pointing out something egregious somewhere else. Sure, Maher said some shit about Palin. But he's also a comedian, and he does not have the Democratic leaders shitting in their pants when he says boo, which Rush clearly does.

But he's got the head of the DNC coming on his show to rally support, so it's not exactly just an innocent comedy show either.

Anyway, you've actually got it backwards.  The Limbaugh criticism was dying down here, so there wasn't much left to misdirect.  I just came across an article with a bunch of those quotes in there, and I thought it made a good point.  But it really isn't worth much more than that, so I'm happy to let it go.

Look, being offensive is bad enough, but being stupid at the same time is even worse.  Limbaugh took an issue worth discussing on its merits, and destroyed it.  The discussion now is about Limbaugh calling her a prostitute rather than whether expecting women to pay $9/month for birth control is right-wing fanaticism.

[Chaldanya]

You will no doubt be aware FLOW that $9/mth is for a generic form of hormonal birth control which will not work for everyone. Further to that hormonal BC is used to treat cysts on the ovaries(which can be fatal) extremely painful periods, PCOS, and heavy bleeding all of which have sweet fuck all to do with sex. I believe an hormonal IUD which is used to treat the disorders I mentioned is a good deal more expensive than $9/mth. (in fact the figure that I've seen is more in the region of $100/mth but I can't corroborate this).

N

[Lord O' Bones]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 06 March 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

But he's got the head of the DNC coming on his show to rally support, so it's not exactly just an innocent comedy show either.

He has anyone that will come on his show, come on his show. Look up the guest list.

And no one said it was an "innocent" comedy show either. There is a political bent towards the subject matter and making absurdity transparent in such a way that hopefully it still get's laughs.

Just because there are more blatantly absurd Republicans in the news doesn't make Bill Maher partisan, nor important.

But keep fucking that chicken.

[MinDonner]

Not only this, but also reducing it to some "$9/month" issue is totally missing the point. Injustice is fine as long as it's relatively cheap? This is an issue about equality and religious dogma, please don't go pretending that it's about those 9 bucks.

[awesome possum]

Chaldanya, on 06 March 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

You will no doubt be aware FLOW that $9/mth is for a generic form of hormonal birth control which will not work for everyone. Further to that hormonal BC is used to treat cysts on the ovaries(which can be fatal) extremely painful periods, PCOS, and heavy bleeding all of which have sweet fuck all to do with sex. I believe an hormonal IUD which is used to treat the disorders I mentioned is a good deal more expensive than $9/mth. (in fact the figure that I've seen is more in the region of $100/mth but I can't corroborate this).

Don't even bother.  He's already showed repeatedly that he is more than willing to ignore that fact and any others that come perilously close to destroying the rhetoric he must stand by at all costs.

[Chaldanya]

awesome possum, on 06 March 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

Don't even bother.  He's already showed repeatedly that he is more than willing to ignore that fact and any others that come perilously close to destroying the rhetoric he must stand by at all costs.

True but I hadnt seen it stated (unless I missed it) so I thought it was worth saying at least once.

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[Former Lord of Winterfell]

Chaldanya, on 06 March 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

You will no doubt be aware FLOW that $9/mth is for a generic form of hormonal birth control which will not work for everyone. Further to that hormonal BC is used to treat cysts on the ovaries(which can be fatal) extremely painful periods, PCOS, and heavy bleeding all of which have sweet fuck all to do with sex. I believe an hormonal IUD which is used to treat the disorders I mentioned is a good deal more expensive than $9/mth. (in fact the figure that I've seen is more in the region of $100/mth but I can't corroborate this).

My wife actually takes birth control to treat endometriosis and ovarian cysts, so I'm very familiar with that.  But Georgetown's policy did cover the prescription of birth control hormones when being used to treat a medical illness.  They just wouldn't cover them if they were offered solely for the purpose of birth control.

Yes, birth-control pills can be prescribed to address medical problems, though that's relatively rare and the Catholic Church has no quarrel with their use in this circumstance. And the university's insurance covers prescriptions in these cases. Still, Ms. Fluke is not mollified. Why? Because at the end of the day this is not about coverage of a medical condition.

Ms. Fluke's crusade for reproductive justice is simply a demand that a Catholic institution pay for drugs that make it possible for her to have sex without getting pregnant. It's nothing grander or nobler than that. Georgetown's refusal to do so does not mean she has to have less sex, only that she has to take financial responsibility for it herself.

http://online.wsj.co...ss_opinion_main

Edited by Former Lord of Winterfell, 06 March 2012 - 02:49 PM.

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

Lord O, on 06 March 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

He has anyone that will come on his show, come on his show. Look up the guest list.

So what?  The issue isn't Bill Maher himself, or who he will permit on his show.  The question is who is willing to go on his show despite him saying the things he said.  And despite him labelling a woman a "cunt", "twat", and saying that she would fuck Rick Perry if he was black, the head of the DNC went on his show and didn't say jackshit about any of those comments he had made.

[awesome possum]

From President Obama's Press Conference this afternoon:

CBS's Norah O'Donnell: Mitt Romney has called you one of the most feckless presidents since Jimmy Carter.

What would you say to him?

President Obama, with a smile: Good luck tonight.

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 06 March 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

So what?  The issue isn't Bill Maher himself, or who he will permit on his show.  The question is who is willing to go on his show despite him saying the things he said.  And despite him labelling a woman a "cunt", "twat", and saying that she would fuck Rick Perry if he was black, the head of the DNC went on his show and didn't say jackshit about any of those comments he had made.

Neither did Ann Coulter.

What's your point?

[Chaldanya]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 06 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

My wife actually takes birth control to treat endometriosis and ovarian cysts, so I'm very familiar with that.  But Georgetown's policy did cover the prescription of birth control hormones when being used to treat a medical illness.  They just wouldn't cover them if they were offered solely for the purpose of birth control.

http://online.wsj.co...ss_opinion_main

You're not going to answer the point that even if you are using the pill for birth control you may not be suited to the $9/mth generic pill?  That would make it more expensive and directly impact those that can't afford the more expensive pill?  Y'know this isn't just about one woman that you think should be ridiculed because she's simply not the RIGHT advocate.

But hey I'm getting back into the realm of why preventing unwanted pregnancy is a good thing and you e already dismissed those points, so I think I'll leave it there.

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[RWHamel]

My feeling this is that the Catholic Church, whose sexual impropriety in the U.S. and other countries is now infamous, is trying to wiggle out of paying medical insurance for drugs and procedures everyone else is going to have to pay, smacks of hypocrisy.

[lockesnow]

fwiw, Bill Maher addressed all this on last week's show--in particular what he's called Sarah Palin--before ripping into Rush.

[Reek]

I asked this in the last thread but no one answered me.

Are these religious organizations opposed to paying for any part of contraception as part of a larger insurance program (ie the entire price of contraception is on the patient)?  Or are they opposed to giving away medication without a copay?

[Lord O' Bones]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 06 March 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

So what?  

Apologies. You brought it up. I foolishly thought that meant that discussion was an option.

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The issue isn't Bill Maher himself,

Good to know. Kindly let me me know when it is again. I can't keep track of your convenience.

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or who he will permit on his show.

"Permit?" lol  This isn't an ad campaign; you don't have to tailor your language.

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The question is who is willing to go on his show despite him saying the things he said.  

Again, check the guest list. And again, again... who the fuck cares?

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

Reek, on 06 March 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

I asked this in the last thread but no one answered me.

Are these religious organizations opposed to paying for any part of contraception as part of a larger insurance program (ie the entire price of contraception is on the patient)?  Or are they opposed to giving away medication without a copay?

Both.

http://www.tampabay....atholic/1214769