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[MinDonner]

I'm not sure anyone's complaining about the distribution. Well, apart from the people who are receiving the bulk of it.

[lupis42]

Arthmail, on 08 March 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Jon Stewart made a good point. Anyone that does not want to pay for something in a democracy, suck it the fuck up. Otherwise, reimburse him for his share paid into the Iraq War.

I'd love to - the Iraq War is high on the list of things I don't want to have paid for either.  While we're at it, can we get reimbursed for the War on Drugs?

[Ser Lany Cassandra]

Tormund Midgetsbane, on 08 March 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Just for fun...


Gun Control:  AKA We win, you fuckers

12 States on the path to eliminate carry permit requirements

Wyoming just passed, South Dakota is just waiting on the Governor's signature, New Hampshire has passed in the House.

Federal judge rules "may issue" permits unconstitutional in Maryland



The Brady Campaign is broke, and only has one supporter

They only raised $7500 in 2010, compared to $1.7 million ten years prior.


California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Illinois:  Just give it up already.  We win, you lose.


/gloat

Maryland's concealed carry permit law has been overturned, but it is being appealed by the State and they have asked that the law stay in place while it is appealed.  But it is a little bit closer

eta:  and since I almost never click links I missed you had the MD info already.  sorry

Edited by Ser Lany Cassandra, 08 March 2012 - 02:15 PM.

[Tormund Midgetsbane]

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I'm not sure anyone's complaining about the distribution. Well, apart from the people who are receiving the bulk of it.

DG just did, and does frequently (among others).

[MinDonner]

Bitching about the hypocritical anti-gubmint bitching =/= bitching about the actual distribution. Remember, libruls are generally in favour of helping the poor, no?

[Tormund Midgetsbane]

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Bitching about the hypocritical anti-gubmint bitching =/= bitching about the actual distribution. Remember, libruls are generally in favour of helping the poor, no?

That's the going theory, although it seems to be an odd thing to bring up in response to gun control being dramatically reduced in the US.

[RWHamel]

I say liberals only say they are going to help the poor. Really they feed at the same trough as the conservatives.

[DanteGabriel]

Tormund Midgetsbane, on 08 March 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

That's the going theory, although it seems to be an odd thing to bring up in response to gun control being dramatically reduced in the US.

When you throw out a list of names like Massachusetts, California, and New York, like they're the states holding everyone back, yeah, I'm going to throw the fact that the most gun-loving, federal government-hating states are the welfare queens who benefit the most from the feds.

[awesome possum]

Anyone heard about the Super-PAC Campaign for Primary Accountability?

Apparently it's a Super-PAC created with the purpose of targeting weak incumbents, no matter what party they are (though primary financing from the PAC comes from Republicans in Texas).

They are crowing about their first victory:  incumbent Ohio Rep Jean Schmidt lost her primary battle after they spent more than $200,000 in ads targeting her.

I've gotta say I'm conflicted.  It's great that someone besides a comedian is using the PACs to point out their power, and I think many political incumbents are some of the worst of Americans, but it's a little disturbing that a few rich people in Texas can use their money to help win an election in Ohio.


ETA:

And despite the GOP getting bitchslapped for their recent anti-woman stances, the hits keep on coming:

Arizona Senate passes bill allowing doctors to not inform women of prenatal problems if the doctor thinks it can lead to an abortion.  

That's right, if this gets signed into law, your doctor could be legally free to withhold information from you to keep you from making a 100% informed decision.  If you die because of complications in your pregnancy, complications that could have easily been prevented or solved to result in both a healthy fetus and mother but never were even mentioned because the asshole doctor thinks you will have an abortion... he walks away free and clear.

Fuck the GOP.  Seriously.  Fuck them.

Edited by awesome possum, 08 March 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[Shryke]

RWHamel, on 08 March 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

I say liberals only say they are going to help the poor. Really they feed at the same trough as the conservatives.

What are you even talking about here?

The Left supports policies to help the poor.

What they complain about is when the "rugged individualists" who claim not to need government aid and want to cut that aid are themselves some of the largest recipients of said aid.

[Tormund Midgetsbane]

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When you throw out a list of names like Massachusetts, California, and New York, like they're the states holding everyone back, yeah, I'm going to throw the fact that the most gun-loving, federal government-hating states are the welfare queens who benefit the most from the feds.

They're just the states with the most restrictive gun laws is all.  I thought it was common knowledge (Illinois is the only state that doesn't even issue carry permits, although in function, none of the others do either.)

[Shryke]

Tormund Midgetsbane, on 08 March 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

They're just the states with the most restrictive gun laws is all.  I thought it was common knowledge (Illinois is the only state that doesn't even issue carry permits, although in function, none of the others do either.)

Probably only if you give much of a shit about gun rights.

If you don't have guns or care about them, you likely wouldn't know.

[TerraPrime]

awesome possum, on 08 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

it's a little disturbing that a few rich people in Texas can use their money to help win an election in Ohio.

You so silly.

This is Democracy at work!

Why should we expect average-income residents in Ohio should get a larger say on who's elected to represent them than million-dollar rich Texans? Besides, we don't want to trample the free speech right of these rich Texan, now would we? You're just not American enough. AP.

[RWHamel]

You mean I have to worry about the Texicans besides the Chiners and the Arabs, and the Canuks!

[lockesnow]

This weeks "This American Life" is a good political one, got interesting bits about government and politics.  Also has a worthwhile interview with the second most evil man in America, Grover Norquist.

http://www.thisameri...kind-of-country

Edited by lockesnow, 08 March 2012 - 03:10 PM.

[Raidne]

Tormund Midgetsbane, on 08 March 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

They're just the states with the most restrictive gun laws is all.  I thought it was common knowledge (Illinois is the only state that doesn't even issue carry permits, although in function, none of the others do either.)

I kind of thought that was obvious in the context of your posts. The responses made no sense to me at first either. Glad we figured out that they apparently thought you were just telling liberal yuppie states to fuck off.

A lot of people - anyone who has no interest in owning a gun - just isn't going to understand this issue and what a freaking pain in the ass keeping up with the morass of gun laws and licenses and registrations and whatever else really is. Most of them should be void for vagueness.

Thanks again lupis for making that clear to me in some earlier incarnation of this thread.

[Raidne]

awesome possum, on 08 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

And despite the GOP getting bitchslapped for their recent anti-woman stances, the hits keep on coming:

Arizona Senate passes bill allowing doctors to not inform women of prenatal problems if the doctor thinks it can lead to an abortion.  

That's right, if this gets signed into law, your doctor could be legally free to withhold information from you to keep you from making a 100% informed decision.  If you die because of complications in your pregnancy, complications that could have easily been prevented or solved to result in both a healthy fetus and mother but never were even mentioned because the asshole doctor thinks you will have an abortion... he walks away free and clear.

Fuck the GOP.  Seriously.  Fuck them.

WHAT?!?

Okay, that's not what it says. Here is the text of the bill:

http://www.azleg.gov...&Session_ID=107

There is this thing called a wrongful birth suit. In most states, it's not allowed anyway. It's basically where you give birth to a child with Down's Syndrome and then sue your doctor for the additional costs that will incurred by your child because you would have aborted the child if you knew about the defect.

I have no problem with banning wrongful birth suits - there are not allowed most places anyway.

That's all the bill does. If you die or suffer injury during childbirth because the doctor withheld information, you can still sue his ass off for that.

Really bad reporting there.

[DanteGabriel]

Raidne, on 08 March 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

I kind of thought that was obvious in the context of your posts. The responses made no sense to me at first either. Glad we figured out that they apparently thought you were just telling liberal yuppie states to fuck off.

Oh it was quite clear to me that he was talking about gun laws.  But as near as I can tell, the gun rights crowd wants the freedom to buy as many guns of whatever stripe they want so that they can resist when the Evil Federal Government tires of giving them free money and comes to take away their Freedoms and Liberties or some crap.

[Raidne]

I think they just like to shoot guns.

[awesome possum]

Typical Woman, on 08 March 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

You so silly.

This is Democracy at work!

Why should we expect average-income residents in Ohio should get a larger say on who's elected to represent them than million-dollar rich Texans? Besides, we don't want to trample the free speech right of these rich Texan, now would we? You're just not American enough. AP.

I know, I occasionally tell myself I should have been born a Canadian, but I can't do it.  I'm too much of a ""meh" guy and not enough of an "eh?" guy.

Raidne, on 08 March 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

WHAT?!?

Okay, that's not what it says. Here is the text of the bill:

http://www.azleg.gov...&Session_ID=107

It doesn't specify DS though, it says any birth defect or medical condition that was withheld from the parent to prevent an abortion:

This section applies to any claim regardless of whether the child is born healthy or with a birth defect or other adverse medical condition

And sure, they can sue, but that doctor will not face any criminal charges or face the prospect of losing their medical license.

lockesnow, on 08 March 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

This weeks "This American Life" is a good political one, got interesting bits about government and politics.  Also has a worthwhile interview with the second most evil man in America, Grover Norquist.

http://www.thisameri...kind-of-country

Speaking of Norquist, sounds like his idiotic pledge is finally starting to crumble around the edges:

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The pledge “restrains your ability to think creatively,” said Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE). “I don’t care to be associated with it.” “I will not sign another pledge,” said Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA). “We have to have the flexibility to do the right thing for American people.” “Have we really reached the point where one person’s demand for ideological purity is paralyzing Congress to the point that even a discussion of tax reform is viewed as breaking a no-tax pledge?” asked Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA).

Today, Norquist lost another devotee, with Rep. Timothy Johnson (R-IL) saying that while he signed the pledge for his first election, he now considers Norquist’s stance “disingenuous and irresponsible“: