Apple Martini, on 04 March 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:
Varys isn't lying. He's letting Kevan make his own assumptions about the person they're talking about. It's the same sort of tactic Ned used when Robert asked about Wylla. Ned answered the question truthfully but let Robert draw his own conclusions about who Wylla was.
Indeed it is.
A rather important difference though, is that Ned allows Robert to believe the wrong thing because its important
that Robert believe the wrong thing.
Varys isn't in the same sort of situation at all. Kevan is essentially dead already, so there is no point in a subtle piece of misdirection directed at him.
The only other possibilities are the little birds, or someone else listening.
Anyone else listening (or even the little birds) has more than enough to put Varys away permanently already just by the death of Kevan and Pycelle. Aiming a misdirection at a third party does not wash in the slightest to me, not to mention that Varys surely has a lock down on the possible listening spots - he's been there and prepared his chosen ground before hand and he
is the one who knows all the secret passages etc.
That leaves the little birds, and they are Varys'
creatures, mutes that join him in the slaying
. Misdirecting them
is pointless - if any of them were capable of (and wanted to) betraying him he'd be screwed already.
But people have
to believe Varys lied if they are invested in a fake Aegon theory.
So Vary lied (or misdirected).
Its a fact
, because it is necessary for other theories.
CrypticWeirwood, on 08 May 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:
The thing to remember about Varys is that he grew up as a mummer.
But what is a mummer, anyway? Everyone keeps assuming that it’s just an old word for an actor. That’s not quite right. Yes, sometimes it can mean that, in a pejorative way, but I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. I think they were travelling plays of a very particular sort — and not morris dancers, either. From Wikipedia:
In mummers’ plays, the central incident is the killing and restoring to life of one of the characters. The characters may be introduced in a series of short speeches (usually in rhyming couplets) in which each personage has his own introductory announcement, or they may introduce themselves in the course of the play's action. The principal characters, presented in a wide variety of manner and style, are a Hero, his chief opponent, the Fool, and a quack Doctor; the defining feature of mumming plays is the Doctor, and the main purpose of the fight is to provide him with a patient to cure. The hero sometimes kills and sometimes is killed by his opponent; in either case, the Doctor comes to restore the dead man to life.
Isn’t that interesting? Now think about Aegon’s (apparent) death and (apparent) resurrection. Is this not the central incident in this particular mummers’ play?
Sure does seem like it to me!
See, now that is exactly why one always clicks on the same old same old threads. Because once in a blue moon someone brings out a new
Well done sir!
Edited by corbon, 25 May 2012 - 02:28 AM.