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[Gingerly Grumkin]

So assuming Dany has the Horde of Dothraki, an Army of Unsullied and at least One Dragon how will she get to Westeros? Salladhor the pirate is out of a job, and Xaro has been talking about boats since he heard the word dragon. Do the sellswords in slavers bay have a navy? The Martells and Illyrio prob back up Aegon now, so they wont help Dany. And where does Vic come in to this? He has a few ships but not enough to take her whole army.

[Silmarien]

The Iron Fleet conveniently happens to be on its way to her.  And Volantene fleets are overrun with slaves as rowers.  Sounds like she'll catch a ride either with Victarion or after he's dead, commandeering his ships.

[OnionAhaiReborn]

Dany is going to need to decide to abandon Meereen and her freedmen. Once she does that she can fairly easily find the ships to take her back to Westeros. Everyone in Slaver's Bay wants her the hell out of there. Getting the Dothraki to cross the poison water though...that'll be tough.

[Gingerly Grumkin]

Silmarien, on 07 March 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

The Iron Fleet conveniently happens to be on its way to her.  And Volantene fleets are overrun with slaves as rowers.  Sounds like she'll catch a ride either with Victarion or after he's dead, commandeering his ships.

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Nine-and-ninety ships had left the Stepstones in three proud fleets, with orders to join up again off the southern tip of the Isle of Cedars. Forty-five had now arrived on the far side of the world. Twenty-two of Victarion’s own had straggled in, by threes and fours, sometimes alone; fourteen of Ralf the Limper’s; only nine of those that had sailed with Red Ralf Stonehouse. Red Ralf himself was amongst the missing. To their number the fleet had added nine new prizes taken on the seas, so the sum was fifty-four … but the captured ships were cogs and fishing boats, merchantmen and slavers, not warships. In battle, they would be poor substitutes for the lost ships of the Iron Fleet.

Is that enough thou? She has quite a large army. And Vic can't do an amphibious assault, because she has Dragons.

OnionAhaiReborn, on 07 March 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Dany is going to need to decide to abandon Meereen and her freedmen. Once she does that she can fairly easily find the ships to take her back to Westeros. Everyone in Slaver's Bay wants her the hell out of there. Getting the Dothraki to cross the poison water though...that'll be tough.

Dany will not abandon her "children", thats wild. Everyone noble and aristocrat in Slaver's Bay can go to hell. Dothraki crossing the poison water, they would have for Drogo. But Dothraki serving a Khalessi...

[Independent George]

Boats can be built, bought, or taken. The bigger question is whether they can cross the narrow sea in the winter. The Golden Company got scattered all over the Stormlands before the weather got bad; it seems like she risks losing her entire fleet unless she waits until spring.

[Arkash]

I think that via the South, it is possible to cross the seas in Winter... but my theory is that she will invade Westeros via the West and the Sunset Sea, and land in Lannisport, and I dont think Winter will pose a real problem.

As for the ships, Vicky's got some ships, as said before, and yes, a lot more can be build, but that will take some time, so I guess she will just hire a new fleet from like Yi-Ti or Asshaï.

[Gingerly Grumkin]

Could the Narrow River freeze? And if yes, could a Dragon pave a way?
So where does Salladhor Saan, mighty pirate, come in to play?
Or the Krakens?

[camradio]

Independent George, on 07 March 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Boats can be built, bought, or taken. The bigger question is whether they can cross the narrow sea in the winter. The Golden Company got scattered all over the Stormlands before the weather got bad; it seems like she risks losing her entire fleet unless she waits until spring.

Thatd be great then we can hear more about her exciting adventures in Meereen! Who is the Harpy?!?!?!?!?...

[GreenHand]

Dany will leave Meereen when she's found a successor or system to take care of Meereen when she's gone. She doesn't want a repeat of Astapor.

[Independent George]

Arkash, on 07 March 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

I think that via the South, it is possible to cross the seas in Winter... but my theory is that she will invade Westeros via the West and the Sunset Sea, and land in Lannisport, and I dont think Winter will pose a real problem.

As for the ships, Vicky's got some ships, as said before, and yes, a lot more can be build, but that will take some time, so I guess she will just hire a new fleet from like Yi-Ti or Asshaï.

I never thought about sailing around the world and landing in the West - that would be a nice way to fulfill "West to go East". The only problem is that I don't know how big the world actually is, and how long a trip it is from Asshai to Lannisport headed east. However, because this is not a normal winter, I suspect even the southern seas will be rough going.

I agree completely about the fleet - she's taking Victarion's ships one way or another, and maybe the Volantene fleet, too.

Edited by Independent George, 07 March 2012 - 12:57 PM.

[Maroucia]

Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 07 March 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Could the Narrow River freeze? And if yes, could a Dragon pave a way?
So where does Salladhor Saan, mighty pirate, come in to play?
Or the Krakens?

I love that idea!

[witless chum]

GreenHand, on 07 March 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Dany will leave Meereen when she's found a successor or system to take care of Meereen when she's gone. She doesn't want a repeat of Astapor.

Seems to me she could do a lot worse than turning things over to King Shakaz I. That's a man who'd be more competent at hanging onto to power than the people she left ruling Astapor.

[PatrickStormborn]

I doubt she'll refuse Victarion's ships. In addition, she'll probably be heading towards Volantis and then Pentos, so I'm sure she'll acquire plenty of ships. I'd be surprised if Salladhor Saan and Aurane Waters didn't show up again. But I would be surprised if they both ended up with Dany.

OnionAhaiReborn, on 07 March 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Dany is going to need to decide to abandon Meereen and her freedmen. Once she does that she can fairly easily find the ships to take her back to Westeros. Everyone in Slaver's Bay wants her the hell out of there. Getting the Dothraki to cross the poison water though...that'll be tough.

Why does Dany need to abandon the Meereenese? Winter has arrived, and the Long Night is coming. Everyone in the world needs protecting.

[OnionAhaiReborn]

PatrickStormborn, on 07 March 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

Why does Dany need to abandon the Meereenese? Winter has arrived, and the Long Night is coming. Everyone in the world needs protecting.

She needs to abandon them because the logistics of taking the population of a few cities to Westeros are impossible to overcome.

[PatrickStormborn]

OnionAhaiReborn, on 07 March 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

She needs to abandon them because the logistics of taking the population of a few cities to Westeros are impossible to overcome.

Abandon is the wrong word for it -- particularly as they don't want to go to Westeros anyway. She needs to find a suitable council that can rule in her absence.

[OnionAhaiReborn]

PatrickStormborn, on 07 March 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

Abandon is the wrong word for it -- particularly as they don't want to go to Westeros anyway. She needs to find a suitable council that can rule in her absence.

She will probably try to do that, but she tried the same thing in Astapor and it didn't work out too well. The lesson she is learning in Meereen is that she can't right all of the world's wrongs. I don't think she is going to fly off into the sunset laughing at the destruction she's left behind her, but she is going to have to accept that she can't fix Slaver's Bay and leave it to its own devices.

[Maroucia]

It's gonna be really hard to rule over region of the world so far apart from one another. I don't see at all how she would do it, especially Merreen being so unstable right now. If she goes away, it's gonna be chaos for sure.

[JayDubya]

It's the big bait and switch!  Dany never leaves Meereen because of the long winter, and she is completely irrelevant to what happens in Westeros.

Alternatively, she heads east, to Asshai, and is lost on the sunset sea.  Eventually the dragons make their way to Westeros, and are ridden by various targaryen descendants, but not Dany.

[sinphonus]

If she comes west she would most likely be smashed by the Redwyne fleet, they support Tommen now.
Though with Euron harrassing the shields the narrow sea has nothing but outlaws and pirates (Salladhor Saan, Aurane Waters, the rest of Stannis' ships who survived the Blackwater).
And why does everyone assume Aurane will join Daenarys, he was a Stannis man and if he brought the dromonds to Stannis with the excuse that he planned to cross the Lannisters Stannis would welcome him back, he is no fool, he knows that a comely boy with boats is better than a comely head and no boats.
And Aegon might even decided, or be decided for him, that Daenarys is useless, and the ships the Golden Company had would smash her fleet, unsullied don't fight in water, they are for making formations and standing their ground and dothraki would piss their breeches at the sight of a ship coming at ramming speed towards them.

[Gingerly Grumkin]

sinphonus, on 07 March 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

If she comes west she would most likely be smashed by the Redwyne fleet, they support Tommen now.
Though with Euron harrassing the shields the narrow sea has nothing but outlaws and pirates (Salladhor Saan, Aurane Waters, the rest of Stannis' ships who survived the Blackwater).
And why does everyone assume Aurane will join Daenarys, he was a Stannis man and if he brought the dromonds to Stannis with the excuse that he planned to cross the Lannisters Stannis would welcome him back, he is no fool, he knows that a comely boy with boats is better than a comely head and no boats.
And Aegon might even decided, or be decided for him, that Daenarys is useless, and the ships the Golden Company had would smash her fleet, unsullied don't fight in water, they are for making formations and standing their ground and dothraki would piss their breeches at the sight of a ship coming at ramming speed towards them.

But Dragons can fight on water, if Dragon fire can burn anything its pieces of wood