The Dornishman's Wife Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 But why does Mel glamour and interchange Mance and Rattleshirt?Mance can still be useful. He's clever, bold, capable and upright. He can be expected to be grateful after being spared, and if that's not enough he's still dependent on Mel and her glamour so it's in his own interest to cooperate. Plus, any time he proves to be a nuiscance or Mel needs some king's blood, he can still be killed.On the other hand Rattleshirt, as per Jon's assessment at least, is pretty much untrustworthy, devious and not even that good. There's not much lost in having him burned, but much to be gained in having Mance as your secret weapon / aide.If there was a vision on top of that reasoning, I don't think we've been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohit39 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 So then why does Mel reveal the switcheroo to Jon? I get this weird feeling that i've got this part of the story slightly twisted in my head, need to re-read aDwD, AGAIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 So then why does Mel reveal the switcheroo to Jon?I get this weird feeling that i've got this part of the story slightly twisted in my head, need to re-read aDwD, AGAIN.It was the only way Jon would go along with her plan on sending Rattleshirt/Mance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Mel says that Stannis wanted absolutely Mance to be executed for forsaking his vows of the Night's Watch and for treason.The only way to save him was to let Stannis think he was effectively executed.But she doesn't care if Jon knows the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Zee Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Ive forgotten.where is Myrcella at the end of ADWD ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Ive forgotten.where is Myrcella at the end of ADWD ?She is currently on a trip back to KL accompanied by Nymeria and Tyene Sand with a hundred spears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoSuperstar Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 She is currently on a trip back to KL accompanied by Nymeria and Tyene Sand with a hundred spears.Or not, in case Doran sent a "fake" one. Why would he abandon such an valuable hostage (sister to the king) when he intends to defy the Iron Throne? But "officially" your explanation is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masha Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Is there any indication on what happened with Sam Tarly? We know he reached Citadel at end of aFfC and we know that Eoron sacked Oldtown and Citadel in aDwD, any word on what happened with Sam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfish Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I don't think the city has been sacked yet, it's just in danger of being sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Is there any indication on what happened with Sam Tarly? We know he reached Citadel at end of aFfC and we know that Eoron sacked Oldtown and Citadel in aDwD, any word on what happened with Sam?No, there is nothing in ADwD to suggest that Oldtown had been sacked as Dragonfish stated. There's a thread on what will happen at Oldtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Dany always says she is the last Targ but in theory couldn't there be more and even some with a better claim? Like Aerion Brightflame's descendants?The Targ line is dead in the male line. I bet the Golden Company has produced a few Blackfyres at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 yes.gut-wise benjen also felt like a somewhat important character and from the beginning i had the feeling he might sooner or later be important to the story, to some extent. But i thought the same thing about Robb, Joffrey or Tywin and we all know what happened :ack: Allthough they all had their fair share of importance, but anyway i did expect them to be important for longer. Especially Joffrey. I thought, when he was about to marry margery, that he will now really start to kick off, but then, well... :)I believe GRRM has teased us about Benjen not being quite dead, in reality or in the story plot.Personally, I think he is in the deeper levels of the crypts at Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 but why was he so intent on keeping Cersei's secret? Just to remain in his current position of power? doesn't seem likely that Robert would remove him as master of coin or anything.I think he just saw an opportunity to make trouble and maybe boost himself. Lysa killed Jon under his guidance. He may have even given her the idea - knowing she hated Jon and loved Little Finger. This gave her the excuse to flee Kings Landing especially if LF put it out that Jon was onto Cersei. Note Stannnis also booked out of there - he knew the rumor too and could have gotten it from LF or Jon and may have presumed this is why Jon was killed. We have been led to believe this is why Jon was killed but I doubt it. I mean, it could have meant trouble in the near future but I dont think the Lannisters were onto him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 If that is the case do we know what the extra chapter is for WOW????I'm sure this has been addressed by now but for those like me, starting on this thread and no patience to look further:https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4uB5dqTYBLwSmNzUVE3M1VHZVE/edit?pli=1THe THeon chapter is at the end and actually it can be found by googling Winds of Winter sample chapter or sth like that. I believe this is the teaser chapter at the end of the paperback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'm really confused over the stimulus that prompted Jamie's change of heart, turning from a bad guy, to a, well, sorta good guy. I know people say it was Catelyn's chastising of him, combined with the ill feeling of Cersei's betrayal maybe with a bit of shame developed from Brienne's constant "kingslayer" taunts, but it still seems quite a big leap, for a character who threw a kid of the castle wall without batting an eyelid.Any thoughts?I put it to the accusation by Catelyn that he had shit for honor. After being worshipped all his life and living the life of a dissolute young man he realized not everyone shared this view of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poor_fellow Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Was Theon castrated by Ramsey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Was Theon castrated by Ramsey?It is at least hinted at, but we don't know if he was castrated or if Ramsey flayed the skin. He did do something, that makes Theon feel less of a man about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The Targ line is dead in the male line. I bet the Golden Company has produced a few Blackfyres at the least.Not strictly speaking true; Dany is herself a male-line descendent. It's the Blackfyres who are extinct in the male line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The Targ line is dead in the male line. I bet the Golden Company has produced a few Blackfyres at the least.I'll add that the Targ isn't extinct in the male line since one male Targ still lives: Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelapsi Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I'll add that the Targ isn't extinct in the male line since one male Targ still lives: Jon.You beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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