The Lost Direwolf, on 10 March 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:
Dany's dragons would be a DEM if and only if at the beginning of Clash of Kings she had flown to Westeros, burned down Cersei and claimed the throne. We all know that...didn't happen. The Dragons did not resolve any knot in the plot. If anything, they made the plot even more complicated.
For me, the birth of the dragons is anything but a DEM moment.
Stannis showing up could be seen as a DEM moment because their timing is nothing short of extraordinary...but it was not completely unexpected. Lots of build up led to this.
Sam just happening to find the dragonglass and slay the Other was a huge coincidence, but again, it didn't solve an especially complicated plot situation.
So far, there have been no true DEM moments.
Harry Potter is riddled with DEM moments, basically every book is resolved by a DEM... but ASOIAF is safe so far. A plot resolution can not, by definition, be a DEM if there has been build up and foreshadowing for it, and GRRM is pretty good at that.
Thanks, that's what I've been trying to say! DEM's have to solve a major plot complications or save the "hero" from certain doom in a major way - Sam managing to kill an Other with Obsidian just was lucky, it didn't save him from encountering further Wights while protecting Gilly.
Dany's dragons literally had nothing to do with solving a complicated plot situation, or to save her.
Agreed that Stannis going to the Wall to help the NW via Davos' suggestion and reading of that letter had plenty of buildup. Mel had seen the Fist in her visions. She knew the fight was up North Beyond-the-Wall. Davos just pushed them into going and that took major cajones.
That scene kinda reminded me of the one in LOTR, The Two Towers, during the siege of Helm's Deep, when at dawn, Gandalf arrives with Eomer and his large group of horse (5000?). Was that a DEM from Tolkien, despite Gandalf saying "look for my coming at first light on the fifth day; at dawn, look to the East"? And us knowing he was trying to find Eomer and his riders for reinforcements? That's more of a DEM than anything I've seen mentioned here.
Also, if "Aegon" is actually the real deal, that's a weird plot issue/poor writing. But it isn't a DEM.