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[Grail King]

Rickons Revenge, on 14 March 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Why does family seem darker and more strange than the other houses with their connection to the wall,there wolves,the ability to warg. It all seems kinda odd

By the way I love the actors they picked as the Stark family on the HBO series from Ned to Rickon.  

Yes, not only the Starks but most Lannisters ( I liked Hedy better in 300 than as Cersi, and they need to ugly up Mr. Dinkleage).

[Mr Motte]

Overall I like them. None of them are my favorite but they're all ok in my book.

[ElizaMartell]

Gurkhal, on 14 March 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

Agrees with this and I would say that this is also why I like Brienne alot.

Wow, for you to say you like a Stark, Sansa must be very special! (This isn't because she married a Lannister truly?)

[Bear Grylls of Skagos]

THe only Starks worth appreciating are ARya and Jon Snow. Jon Snow was proving himself at the wall, his judgment was much better than the veterans.
Ned Stark is all right. I can't feel anything apart from pity for Bran ,Sansa and little Rickon.
But Robb Stark is the guy I truly hate.He was pretty self obsessed and selfish, qualities people ignore when they talk about Stark just because he died a tragic death.
Robb had no sense of responsibility. He failed his bannermen,his mother and most of all his soldiers.It was sad that he didn't think about his mother and the war while marrying Jeyne Westerling. He also tried to show his power in a vulgar way by beheading Karstark. Karstark was an emotional fool, no doubt about that but the wall would have been a better place or he could have been kept as a hostage to keep his son loyal.



I don't think Manderly gives two shit about Starks. He is trying to get HIS candidate as the King in the North/Lord Protector of Winterfell and Roose's heir is the person almost every Northmen hates.Not to mention the Red Wedding which is enough for anyone to hate Boltons.

[ElizaMartell]

But...no one knows the Boltons (Or Roose) has a role in the red wedding. Though  Roose having a Frey wife doesn't help.

[Bear Grylls of Skagos]

ElizaMartell, on 14 March 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

But...no one knows the Boltons (Or Roose) has a role in the red wedding. Though  Roose having a Frey wife doesn't help.

No one knows that Roose slit Robb's head himself. Don't change my words.

[Frozenfez]

who do you think will hold winterfell at the end?

[LordBloodraven]

The Valonquar., on 14 March 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

THe only Starks worth appreciating are ARya and Jon Snow. Jon Snow was proving himself at the wall, his judgment was much better than the veterans.
Ned Stark is all right. I can't feel anything apart from pity for Bran ,Sansa and little Rickon.
But Robb Stark is the guy I truly hate.He was pretty self obsessed and selfish, qualities people ignore when they talk about Stark just because he died a tragic death.
Robb had no sense of responsibility. He failed his bannermen,his mother and most of all his soldiers.It was sad that he didn't think about his mother and the war while marrying Jeyne Westerling. He also tried to show his power in a vulgar way by beheading Karstark. Karstark was an emotional fool, no doubt about that but the wall would have been a better place or he could have been kept as a hostage to keep his son loyal.



I don't think Manderly gives two shit about Starks. He is trying to get HIS candidate as the King in the North/Lord Protector of Winterfell and Roose's heir is the person almost every Northmen hates.Not to mention the Red Wedding which is enough for anyone to hate Boltons.

Robb made one huge mistake, which wasn't entirely "selfish". Karstark deserved to die, yes he was pissed when Catelyn freed Jaime, but killing the Lannister squires endangered the life of all the noble Northern prisoners. This wasn't a demonstration of power but of justice. If you can't control yourself when two grown sons of yours die in battle, you should have left them at home.

Manderly does definitely care for the Starks. Let's face it. What Manderly has to win by conspiring against Bolton, and hiding Davos in his castle? He wants a Stark to rule in Winterfell, and certainly to rise his House's station, which isn't incompatible. Wylla Manderly's pleas and Manderly's pride in her clearly shows that he values the Starks and how they gave shelter to his forebears when they were chased from the Reach

[Bear Grylls of Skagos]

LordBloodraven, on 14 March 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Robb made one huge mistake, which wasn't entirely "selfish". Karstark deserved to die, yes he was pissed when Catelyn freed Jaime, but killing the Lannister squires endangered the life of all the noble Northern prisoners. This wasn't a demonstration of power but of justice. If you can't control yourself when two grown sons of yours die in battle, you should have left them at home.

Manderly does definitely care for the Starks. Let's face it. What Manderly has to win by conspiring against Bolton, and hiding Davos in his castle? He wants a Stark to rule in Winterfell, and certainly to rise his House's station, which isn't incompatible. Wylla Manderly's pleas and Manderly's pride in her clearly shows that he values the Starks and how they gave shelter to his forebears when they were chased from the Reach

Manderly's sister or Cousin (I am not sure) was locked away in a dungeon by the Bastard of Dreadfort and she had to eat her fingers in the end. Manderly's son was slain at the red wedding.
Manderly can rule the North with Rickon as the figurehead.It seems similar to something like Mace and Tommen situation at the King's Landing.

[Apple Martini]

ElizaMartell, on 14 March 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

But...no one knows the Boltons (Or Roose) has a role in the red wedding. Though  Roose having a Frey wife doesn't help.

Manderly says something about Roose lying about his role in the Red Wedding, and I think they don't know that Roose did the deed himself (if they did, nothing and no one could save him). But they know that he had some hand in it — he was there, he and his men survived and were free when everyone else was killed or captured, and he's the new Warden of the North. It's not that difficult to piece together.

Edited by Apple Martini, 14 March 2012 - 03:23 PM.

[ElizaMartell]

The Valonquar., on 14 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

No one knows that Roose slit Robb's head himself. Don't change my words.

  What?

You said:

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I don't think Manderly gives two shit about Starks. He is trying to get HIS candidate as the King in the North/Lord Protector of Winterfell and Roose's heir is the person almost every Northmen hates.Not to mention the Red Wedding which is enough for anyone to hate Boltons.

And I was replying to that. How is that changing your words?

Apple Martini, on 14 March 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Manderly says something about Roose lying about his role in the Red Wedding, and I think they don't know that Roose did the deed himself (if they did, nothing and no one could save him). But they know that he had some hand in it — he was there, he and his men survived and were free when everyone else was killed or captured, and he's the new Warden of the North. It's not that difficult to piece together.

Thanks, I appeciate the explanation. Honestly, do people have to be so rude with an innocent inquiry?

Edited by ElizaMartell, 14 March 2012 - 03:25 PM.

[Bear Grylls of Skagos]

• A Manderly army, lead by Ser Wylis and Ser Wendel, joins Robb Stark at Moat Cailin when marching south against the Lannisters. Their force consists of about 20 knights with their squires, 200 mounted lances, swordsmen and freeriders, an undetermined number of foot armed with spears, pikes and tridents.

This is what Manderly supplied to Robb, sounds pretty measly of someone who is the Lord to a port.There is more to the fat man than meets the eye.

[LuisDantas]

Sure I like the Starks.  I usually like the straight arrow types.

[LordBloodraven]

The Valonquar., on 14 March 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

• A Manderly army, lead by Ser Wylis and Ser Wendel, joins Robb Stark at Moat Cailin when marching south against the Lannisters. Their force consists of about 20 knights with their squires, 200 mounted lances, swordsmen and freeriders, an undetermined number of foot armed with spears, pikes and tridents.

This is what Manderly supplied to Robb, sounds pretty measly of someone who is the Lord to a port.There is more to the fat man than meets the eye.

Manderly was ordered by Ned to assemble his troops and to reinforce the defenses of White Harbour, which is the sole port and town in the North. It's safe to assume that most of the North were left there in case of invasion by sea. White Harbour is too strategic to be left without a sizable force and garrison.

The Valonquar., on 14 March 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Manderly's sister or Cousin (I am not sure) was locked away in a dungeon by the Bastard of Dreadfort and she had to eat her fingers in the end. Manderly's son was slain at the red wedding.
Manderly can rule the North with Rickon as the figurehead.It seems similar to something like Mace and Tommen situation at the King's Landing.

Rickon is not going to be Manderly's puppet. Most likely, other Houses might contest Manderly being his tutor or regent. Manderly can help Rickon be the next ruler in the North but he cannot hope to rule it with other Houses (Glover, Mormont, Reed...) opposing him or contesting the handling of Rickon. And his preeminence cannot last forever. Either he becomes a mere Regent, and raise his House's status by soft power, or he decides to push over Rickon and rules the North by and for himself. I don't see him doing the latter case

[Mark Antony]

Starks <3

[Bacchanalia]

Lord Too-Fat-To-Sit-A-Horse is eating the Starks' thread!   Jokes

To the original question, I will say that I'm a Stark fangirl, and I'll shout that one loud and proud.

Each of these characters have their virtues and flaws, and I find them all to be incredibly human.  But better, 'cause they're magical wargs.

Arya is such a brave, fierce little thing as so many have pointed out, and I do love her. I want her to stop saying that she is Nobody, though, because damnit Arya, you're a wolf. Learn to assassinate some bitches and get your pretty little butt back to Westeros and kill Cersei. K, thanks.

Bran and his whole journey since the beginning of the books has broken my heart, since I, like Tyrion, have a soft spot for cripples, bastards, and broken things. I'm not sure about BR and turning into a tree, and I sincerely hope he didn't eat soylent Jojen but.... oh , GRRM, how he toys with my head.

Robb and Eddard were honorable fools and while some decisions may have been questionable (coughtellingCerceihisplancough) they're good people in a big bad world, and darn it, I like that, which brings be to...

Sansa - she gets some pretty serious hate on these threads, but I think she has shown remarkable resilience given her situation and I want to see her learn badassness from LF and team up with Arya to kill Cercei.*

Rickon is feisty, powerful, and has a fearsome black direwolf named Shaggydog. 'Nuff said. Here is where Lord Manderly comes in, because I truly hope his efforts to bring Rickon back into the center stage come to fruition.

Catelyn... oh, sweet Catelyn.  You're UnCat now, and I'm still not sure what to make of that. I used to like you though, and that's something.



*I realize GRRM is very unlikely to give me a lot of the things I want for my beloved asoiaf characters, but I am speaking here of wishes and dreams as opposed to crackpotting.

[ManyFacedOne]

I'll recognize no king of Westeros but one whose name is Stark!

All those who stand against them will get the pointy end.

[Dacie]

Frozenfez, on 14 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

who do you think will hold winterfell at the end?

I think it will be Rickon, as I can see no other real purpose for his character.

As for the Starks, I just love 'em. Honorable to the point of their own demise, sure. And they've all made some very foolish (I'm looking at you Ned, telling Cersei your plan to tell Robert about her kids) or at least questionable decisions. But still, I think they are the best house in Westeros, and their ancestors were there long before Aegon and his conquest.

[Iceborn]

Robb was not a very successful king, but could you expect him to be? he would be a good lord, carrying out judgements but he should have stuck to the north, he played the game of thrones and lost.
at least he got an end worthy of song, he took three arrows and a sword before dieing, not bad going, wearing silk. Anyway he is a good example of GRRM's power as an author, even if you dislike him his death is so sudden and unexpected it makes you sad, it is the same with the betrayal of Jon at the wall.

[Fire Eater]

LuisDantas, on 14 March 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Sure I like the Starks.  I usually like the straight arrow types.

Me too, Ned comes across as the guy who always tries to do the right thing, and he tries to instill this into his children. He sees the killing of Rhaegar's children as a war crime, and when the lordlings come to ask for vengeance, Ned replies:

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Vengeance? I thought we were speaking of justice. Burning Clegane's fields and slaughtering his people will not restore the king's peace, only your injured pride.

The only problem with Ned is realizing that people like Cersie Lannister don't play by the same rules he does.