Cersei is an idiot...this is known.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:33 AM
Winter, on 16 March 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:
Ned is an honourable man, once he gave his vow, he'd keep it.
Cersei's sharp enough to understand this.
She is also smart enough to have thought of the wildfire before Tyrion, although he perfected the idea.
Cersei's sharp enough to understand this.
She is also smart enough to have thought of the wildfire before Tyrion, although he perfected the idea.
As well as the fact that Cersei had his daughter
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:07 AM
I don't think Cersei is a drooling idiot, but rather that she thinks all power is derived from fear. Plus, she seems to think that Lannister lands and monies + their hold on the Iron Throne gives her a blank check to do as she pleases.
She is blind to certain subleties of power that she could have learned from observing Ned or the Tyrells.
Ned seemed to have a stewardship view. He wanted to be a good steward and make sure the prosperity and well being of of those under his care. (Of course, to have that mindset you must believe that other humans have inherent value other than their use for your ends.) The ripple effect of Ned's philosophy toward ruling is still being felt in the books. The Mtn Clans and most of the Northern houses are still scrambling to right the wrongs done to the Starks. Would they be so eager if Ned had been like Cersei? I think not. Tradition may bolster the Starks somewhat, but the Boltons and their conspirators are feeling the backlash of Ned's legacy right now. Heck - It is even annoying Stannis and he is fighting on their side.
The Tyrells also court the goodwill of the people, but go about it more out of cunning than real care, in my opinion. For example, Margeary set herself up as a lady bountiful in King's Landing. She ran around handing out bread and good cheer. This endeared her and house Tyrell to the smallfolk. Smart. (The Tyrells were the ones that caused the shortage in the first place, but you can dispell all that with some good smallfolk PR. The smallfolk probably just blamed the Baratheons any way.)
Know what does not endear you? Ordering the slaughter of children. Bringing about war, for whatever reason, when your husband's reign was marked by peace and prosperity. (Granted Robert got nature's boon in a very long Summer.)
Tywin made good use of fear. That is why the Rains of Castemere was sang every other song at Joff's wedding, but Tywin could also temper that fear. He was hard and used horrible weapons to achieve his ends (Bloody Mummers/Gregor). However, he had long range vision and did not discount his allies.
Cersei cannot see what is plain before her in most cases. She doggedly goes after Margeary with no thought as to what the loss of Tyrell troops and money would do to Tommen's claim.
They are making inroads into Stannis' power base. That is all well and good, but she squanders opportunities to shore up the kingdom to keep bleeding the enemies in her head. Tywin would not send men to the wall because he did not want to help the Starks in any way. Fair enough. They were at war. Cersei however refuses to send aid to key LOYAL lands just because she wants to destabilize the Tyrells, a house she needs to hold on to the throne. Rather than think on the long term consequences, she is eaten alive with petty grudges.
Troops do not come out of thin air, unless you have money for sellswords, which brings me to the next bit...
Yes, the Lannister seem to have vast amounts of resources, but praytell, how thinly stretched are they now? They have been fighting a war for months. That means troops and the money to equip those troops. There were/are at least 3 Lannister armies in the field. That probably means that the Lannister lands are suffering the same problem as the North. Most of their capable men marched out in the first or even second wave. What to they have left? Old men and green boys.
Then she refuses to honor the kingdom's debts and re-arms the Faith. Both were initially tied to cash flow issues. But, those blunders were/are colossal. Those would be stupid moves in the best of times. She pulls a total Scarlett O'Hara and goes all " I will think about that tomorrow." My mouth actually flew open when I read those sections of the books. She has undermined the legitimacy of her son's rule single handedly.
Giving the Faith troops that owe zero loyalty to the crown? What happens when the crown and Faith disagree? That is right. You have another enemy to fight. An potential enemy that now has a powerbase totally independent of the crown.
She is blind to certain subleties of power that she could have learned from observing Ned or the Tyrells.
Ned seemed to have a stewardship view. He wanted to be a good steward and make sure the prosperity and well being of of those under his care. (Of course, to have that mindset you must believe that other humans have inherent value other than their use for your ends.) The ripple effect of Ned's philosophy toward ruling is still being felt in the books. The Mtn Clans and most of the Northern houses are still scrambling to right the wrongs done to the Starks. Would they be so eager if Ned had been like Cersei? I think not. Tradition may bolster the Starks somewhat, but the Boltons and their conspirators are feeling the backlash of Ned's legacy right now. Heck - It is even annoying Stannis and he is fighting on their side.
The Tyrells also court the goodwill of the people, but go about it more out of cunning than real care, in my opinion. For example, Margeary set herself up as a lady bountiful in King's Landing. She ran around handing out bread and good cheer. This endeared her and house Tyrell to the smallfolk. Smart. (The Tyrells were the ones that caused the shortage in the first place, but you can dispell all that with some good smallfolk PR. The smallfolk probably just blamed the Baratheons any way.)
Know what does not endear you? Ordering the slaughter of children. Bringing about war, for whatever reason, when your husband's reign was marked by peace and prosperity. (Granted Robert got nature's boon in a very long Summer.)
Tywin made good use of fear. That is why the Rains of Castemere was sang every other song at Joff's wedding, but Tywin could also temper that fear. He was hard and used horrible weapons to achieve his ends (Bloody Mummers/Gregor). However, he had long range vision and did not discount his allies.
Cersei cannot see what is plain before her in most cases. She doggedly goes after Margeary with no thought as to what the loss of Tyrell troops and money would do to Tommen's claim.
They are making inroads into Stannis' power base. That is all well and good, but she squanders opportunities to shore up the kingdom to keep bleeding the enemies in her head. Tywin would not send men to the wall because he did not want to help the Starks in any way. Fair enough. They were at war. Cersei however refuses to send aid to key LOYAL lands just because she wants to destabilize the Tyrells, a house she needs to hold on to the throne. Rather than think on the long term consequences, she is eaten alive with petty grudges.
Troops do not come out of thin air, unless you have money for sellswords, which brings me to the next bit...
Yes, the Lannister seem to have vast amounts of resources, but praytell, how thinly stretched are they now? They have been fighting a war for months. That means troops and the money to equip those troops. There were/are at least 3 Lannister armies in the field. That probably means that the Lannister lands are suffering the same problem as the North. Most of their capable men marched out in the first or even second wave. What to they have left? Old men and green boys.
Then she refuses to honor the kingdom's debts and re-arms the Faith. Both were initially tied to cash flow issues. But, those blunders were/are colossal. Those would be stupid moves in the best of times. She pulls a total Scarlett O'Hara and goes all " I will think about that tomorrow." My mouth actually flew open when I read those sections of the books. She has undermined the legitimacy of her son's rule single handedly.
Giving the Faith troops that owe zero loyalty to the crown? What happens when the crown and Faith disagree? That is right. You have another enemy to fight. An potential enemy that now has a powerbase totally independent of the crown.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:25 AM
Littlefinger sums up Cersei perfectly when he says something like....
Cersei likes to think she is smart but she is totally predictable.
all her strength comes from, her family, her wealth and her beauty.
Her beauty is the only one that is truly hers and that will soon abandon her
She craves power, but has no idea what to do with it when she gets it.
Cersei likes to think she is smart but she is totally predictable.
all her strength comes from, her family, her wealth and her beauty.
Her beauty is the only one that is truly hers and that will soon abandon her
She craves power, but has no idea what to do with it when she gets it.
Edited by Adam Price, 16 October 2012 - 05:30 AM.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:41 AM
She is like Aerys Mk. II with less political nous.
