Buried Treasure, on 17 March 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:
He loves his son so much he makes up schemes that mean he can never acknowledge his parentage? A Blackfyre son of Illyrio would have a terrible claim as king of Westeros - he has to go through the female line at least twice just to get back to the main Blackfyre line, which was itself founded 100 years ago by a bastard. This hypothetical son would have a better chance at security & power as the acknowled son of Illyrio. Among the nobility of Pentos he would have his fathers merchant wealth and his mothers blood of foreign kings (which would be enough to make him glamorous but not dangerous to Pentoshi aristocracy).
I meant to set aside the issue of Blackfyres for a moment and just talk about the Illyrio's son aspect of the Young Griff equation. But speaking to the Blackfyre angle, what Illyrio wants for his son is also colored by what Serra
wants for her son. So if Serra is a Blackfyre, she
may have wanted Aegon on the throne. She may have cared about putting a Blackfyre on the throne. I see no reason to assume that Illyrio should only want security and power for his son, he is ambitious and devoted to his wife and that's why he wants his son to have more than just security, he wants him to be King of Westeros.
edit: I also think if Aegon does become King, and if he is a Blackfyre, that fact would be revealed to him after he was on the Throne. I won't say that they would tell all of Westeros, but I do believe they would tell him.
Because what is he going to do about it after he knows? Certainly he isn't going to abdicate the Throne at that point.
Not knowing Illyio and Varys' true motives (especially at this stage of the story where it would give away too much) bothers me less than giving Illyrio the motive of backing his Blackfyre son. It requires too many coincidences for it to be a plausible theory for me:
- He just happens to have a son the right age?
- He purchases a slave and falls in love & it turns out she is a noble line & he believes her? Or do you not think she was a slave, because if not why did he tell Tyrion of having access to the palace until he married one of his slaves?
1) We don't know if Young Griff is
the right age. Tyrion marks him as slightly younger than he should be if he is truly Aegon. Of course this could just be an issue of age being difficult to tell, but that's the point entirely: age is difficult to tell. We have no way of knowing if Young Griff does just happen to be exactly the same age as Aegon. But if it is a coincidence that they are the same age, it's a coincidence. I'd be ok with that. Stranger things have happened.
Varys' and Illyrio's plans have clearly changed over time, so while they were probably already scheming when Varys first went to King's Landing, it is unlikely that they had the specific scheme planned out of placing a son of Illyrio on the throne (who he would not yet have had at the time), in exactly the manner that we are seeing them try to put Young Griff in the throne now. But it seems pretty clear that Varys has been working on some
(Blackfyre return) scheme for the whole time he has been in King's Landing.
2) I'm not sure exactly what the timeline is of Illyrio falling in love with Serra/purchasing her. Maybe he purchased and married her after he found out she was a Blackfyre? But more importantly, I'm assuming she has some sort of proof to offer of her lineage, perhaps something like Egg's 'boot' from the Dunk & Egg novellas.
I think Illyio is involved in Westeros because his friend Varys is involved in Westeros. He's an ambitious schemer, if it wasn't Westeros it would be somewhere else.
I think 'just because' is a pretty weak motive. It's not impossible, but I do not think it is very likely that the conclusion of an entire series of wondering why Varys is doing what he is doing is just eunuchs be schemin' and Illyrio helps just because they're friends and he likes scheming too.
Edited by OnionAhaiReborn, 17 March 2012 - 02:46 PM.