Yes Corbon, I think DefKhan1 has a point, your comment was very depreciative, both to DefKhan1 and Sansa .
Sansa unlike Jeyne Pool knows that deer are not hunted by knights touching them with their hand as the songs tell it. Furthermore you used similar argumentation to dismiss a view I expressed about Lyanna´s mindset, which of course is speculative either way.
Corbon I admire your knowledge about the series and respect your no nonsense attitude very much in most of your posts, but the one you gave as answer to DefKhan1, I think not
corbon, on 06 March 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:
Apart from the fact that this isn't a reasonable connection in a world where magic and prophesy are real and the ruling, dragon-riding clan have followed prophetic visions by a forebear for hundreds of years (therefore grounded and realistic people should accept prophecy as a realistic and important basis for actions), where do you actually get Lyanna being 'grounded' and 'realistic' from?
All we know of her really is that she accurately summed up Robert, had wild wolf blood, rode like she was 3/4 horse, fought (swordplay) with her brothers against her fathers will, was probably the KotLT (grounded? realistic?, perhaps romantic and idealistic!) and seems to have eloped with Rhaegar. Don't see anything grounded or realistic there?
I give you a quote where I expressed my view about Lyanna in a better way, I think.
Lykos, on 11 March 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:
I hate the title of this thread, because I love Lyanna (as much as one can love a character already dead at the start of the story, and not to much information to go on) and I don´t believe she was stupid.
Of course she could have been capeable of acting foolishly and I can completely follow LadyoftheNorth72´s train of thought. (At age 19-20 I was preparing 15 yo kids for exchange years and have seen the most sensible and intelligent girls making fools of themselfs.)
But we have to consider that in this world there is no place for adolescence plus Lyanna was raised in the North a rough world. And her upbringing will have been quite different from Ned´s daughters. There will probably have been no Septa teaching Lyanna. Ned build the Sept for Catelyn. I guess that old Nan had a more important part in Lyanna´s upbringing. There might have been a noble woman of the North at Winterfell, for example Maege Mormont, she named her youngest daughter after Lyanna. We know almost nothing about Lyanna´s mother except, that her mother was a Flint. So I think she was rooted in the beliefs and myths of the North.
This could of course make a reenactment of the story of the Winterrose plausible. But why would Lyanna share Rhaegar´s obsession with the Ptwp prophesy. Rhaegar changed his interpretation of this prophesy already, I think Lyanna had very firm own beliefs based in the religion of the old gods, she will have set his head straight.
Unlike Robb with Jeyne Westerling Lyanna didn´t give in to romance straight away. Jon was conceived more than a year after the Harrenhal Tournament and I think it is save to assume that she stayed in a place known and approved by her family till shortly before Brandon discovered she was gone. A ravensflight to whereever the Stark weddingparty last made camp I´d say.
Lyanna knew how to learn to fight without her father approving, she was observant and insightfull for she assessed Robert correctly. She probably had objections to her father´s "southron ambitions", that went beyond her own marriage.
So what went wrong? I think either Rhaegar or Lyanna must have trusted someone who was manipulated or in league with Varys or Aerys II.
I want to add, that Lyanna was a Winter child unlike Arya and Sansa.
Edited by Lykos, 05 April 2012 - 12:29 AM.