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[pourthedamhypocras]

I assume because Lady is dead, and she is the only POV Stark child without a wolf to Warg into, that this is somehow significant in terms of her ultimate fate. Sansa never even hints that she felt that kind of tie with Lady..Do you think that if lady had lived she would have had the gift the way the other Stark Children do? Is there any hint that Rob had wolf dreams as well?

[Ser Wun Wun]

Yes, I think she would have developed into a warg too if Lady had lived.  Maybe she still can, as it seems like a power one is simply born with.  Varamyr had multiple animals besides wolfs, why can't Sansa?   She would need someone to teach her though.

Grey Wind found that goat track for Robb when he attacked the Westerlands, but the question is how did he lead Robb to it?  Was it a Lassie "what is it boy?" moment, or did Robb dream as his wolf like Jon and that led him to it?  Also, grey wind got angry when Cat ridiculed the idea of Jon being heir, just like Robb did.  It appears as though their was a connection between their emotional states based on that alone.  That is the mark of a warg to me.

Edited by Ser Wun Wun, 19 March 2012 - 11:49 PM.

[pourthedamhypocras]

Yes the fact that it seems a strong genetic Stark trait has me wondering why Martin hasn't dropped a hint even if it's only that she likes her steak rare, but I can't remember
anything like that....hmmm...

[Catastrophe]

I always thought that bit about Grey Wind finding the trail was meant to show that Robb was a warg. Maybe he didn't fully understand it, the same way Arya and Rickon don't really seem to, but he and Grey Wind were definitely linked on some level.

Sansa probably would've been a warg too, but with Lady dead I doubt she'll ever develop her abilities.

[The King of Worms]

pourthedamhypocras, on 19 March 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Yes the fact that it seems a strong genetic Stark trait has me wondering why Martin hasn't dropped a hint even if it's only that she likes her steak rare, but I can't remember
anything like that....hmmm...

There was that big hound dog at the Fingers that hung around like it was protecting Sansa. There has got to be other examples in there too. I'll have to read some of her chapters again.
She actually is a pretty brave girl when you look at everything she goes through. And she does have a naive sense of honor almost like her dad's, and tries to help people when she can. She is very Stark in her own way.
I want to think all Starks have it... GrrM never gives us signs that Ned and Benjen are warging though. Or maybe I missed something there? Benjen is first ranger so he would know about warging, but he doesn't mention anything about it to Jon...

[Solaris]

There is also the thin black dog at Joff's death that sniffs Cersei and dead Joff. I theorise that is how Sansa knew Joff was dead because she knew it before the bells began to toll. There is also that everytime she thinks of Lady the hound appears or a dog of some description appears. There are frequent references to those combinations (dog+the Hound+Lady).

There seems to be some hinting that she could be bound to the Hound because of the above. It takes some dedicated reading to pick up on the hinting. I feel that Sansa is quite powerful it's just she has no clue what she is doing so it is not explained to us in obvious terms. Sansa lost Lady too early for her to realise what it is that is actually happening.

Loosing Lady doesn't make her any less a warg it just means the best opportunity to learn how to control it was lost. It is a genetic gift. Check out ADWD prologue for a crash course in warging and how it works.

Edited by Solaris, 23 March 2012 - 03:05 AM.

[Grail King]

Per GRRM= all the Stark kids are wargs some are stronger than others, with that said and according to six skins a wolf and a warg are married for life.

As for Sansa if you read carefully she still feels Lady's spirit in herself also Sansa seems to be the Stark whom seems to be more empathetic than skin changer, she can sense things around her though she doesn't fully understand the sensations, hence as someone mentioned her tie with Sandor.
ETA:

Ok the server miscue ate my complete reply I think !

Someone said he/she hasn't seen Sansa do anything and I'm trying to find that topic I thought it was here so I'll check other's first.

Edited by Grail King, 25 March 2012 - 06:43 PM.

[Solaris]

  but I don't think it discounts that Sansa could be warging other animals and even people at times. Six skins is six skins afterall.

[Grail King]

I don't think she could do people yet, 2 reasons nothing shows that she's learn to warg, and 2 Warging a human takes a real strong overpowering mind and the hound is not weak minded.
Sansa's strength is her empathy she has with people and through that she seems to understand what they feel and also maybe how to "play" them.


ETA: fixed error

Edited by Grail King, 25 March 2012 - 10:10 PM.

[Maroucia]

Grail King, on 25 March 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

I don't think she could do people yet, 2 reasons nothing shows that she's learn to warg, and 2 Warging a human takes a real strong overpowering mind and the hound is weak minded.
Sansa's strength is her empathy she has with people and through that she seems to understand what they feel and also maybe how to "play" them.

Did you miss-spelled that, because I don’t see the hound as a weak minded man!!!

Sansa will never warg him, I would hate that, but they do have a connection that could be seen as warg related. Some sort of supernatural connection, for now it’s speculation, but there is some good reasons to speculate on that.

Edited by Maroucia, 29 March 2012 - 12:15 AM.

[Grail King]

Maroucia, on 25 March 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Did you miss-spelled that, because I don’t see the hound as a weak minded man!!!

Sansa will never warg him, I would hate that, but they do have a connection that could be seen as warg related. Some sort of supernatural connection, for now it’s speculation, but there is some good reasons to speculate on that.

Yup fixed it, doing college stuff for daughter VERY STRESSFULL

[Christina Ceriddwynn]

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuureeee..................blame the munchkin.......

[Grail King]

Christina Ceriddwynn, on 26 March 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuureeee..................blame the munchkin.......

I blame her and the government !!!!!!

[vogorroswhore]

I don't think Sansa will "warg" the Hound, but she does have an affinity for dogs, at least it seems like dogs take to her quickly if that old hound at the Fingers is any indication.  However, doesn't it seem like Sandor Clegane has almost warg-like skills regarding Stranger (or for those picky about terminology--skinchanging skills)?  Maybe Sansa's connection with the Hound has more to do with their kinship as fellow warg/skinchangers?

[The Imp With A Pimp Limp]

Hopefully she wargs into a bitch, oh wait she already is one.
But in all seriousness even GRRM said that Sansa is dead and only Alayne remains which is obviously not 100% true but that does show that Sansa has turned different from her brothers and sister. I think she could still warg but I dont think she will

[The Butler of Tarth]

Well, DwD prologue mentioned that dogs and wolves are easiest to warg. (probably because they're extremely social animals) That might explain why there's always a dog around her.

Personally I've been toying with another concept - birds. Sansa already got called  'Little Bird' on several occasions and - with her training at 'Littlefinger's Scheming Academy' and Varys using metaphorical 'little birds' as sources of information - I can't help but expect her to put her inherent warging skills to just that use. -"How did you know that?" -"A little bird told me..."

[Solaris]

The Imp With A Pimp Limp, on 02 April 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

Hopefully she wargs into a bitch, oh wait she already is one.
But in all seriousness even GRRM said that Sansa is dead and only Alayne remains which is obviously not 100% true but that does show that Sansa has turned different from her brothers and sister. I think she could still warg but I dont think she will

When did he say that? Clearly I have been MIA for far too long!
Link to proof please, thank you. This information is detremental to my shipping!

[Christina Ceriddwynn]

it was an interview which I can't find but here is the comment:  "Why, the Hound is dead, and Sansa may be dead as well. There's only Alayne Stone."