Lord Littlefinger, on 21 March 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:
If by boss, you mean prancing jackanape who loses a war to two idiots, an old man and Hoster, I can't control my bannermen, Tully, then yeah, a boss.
This is the most ridiculous post that I have seen, for a very long time, and I don't know if the poster is just trying to be a troll, or what.
This person is trying to discredit Rhaegar, because Rhaegar lost the war to two idiots(Robert and Eddard), an old man(Jon Arryn), and Hoster Tully.
Apparently this person thinks that the Robert and Ned that we see in AGoT, are idiots, and that somehow means that they were idiots during the rebellion. First off, Robert in AGoT, is nothing like he was during the rebellion, yes Robert later became a drunken oaf, but that does not mean that he wasn't an amazing war general and leader, before he became King. Robert was known for turning his enemies into loyal subjects, and was famous for his battle tactics. You can be a bad King, and an idiot at the Game of Thrones, while still being a great battle leader.
Same goes for Ned, just because he was honorable to a fault, doesn't mean he wasn't awesome during the War.
Just because someone isn't like Littlefinger, or Varys, that doesn't mean they are idiots. Ned never pretended to be good at the Game of Thrones, but he felt duty bound to accept Roberts offer anyway(to become Hand).
And somehow because Jon Arryn was old, that means he wasnt a credible opponent? Seriously?
Jon Arryn was born in 225AL, and died 297AL, so that means that he was 58 years old during Roberts Rebellion. Ser Barristan is over sixty years old, when we see him kicking ass and taking names. Ser Barristan escaped Kinglanding, having to fight off multiple Goldcloaks, without even using a sword. Then Ser Barristan is still fast enough to spot, and kill a manticore, before it stings Dany. Then we see Ser Barristan woop the shit out of Mero, the former Leader of the Second Sons, also known as the Titans Bastard, mind you Ser Barristan had a stick, and Mero a Sword. Ser Barristan was also one of the people that went into the sewers of Meereen, which allowed them to free the slaves, and take Mereen. Then we see Ser Barristan school one of the most renowned pit fighters in Meereen. All of this, Ser Barristan does, while being over the age of sixty.
Another bad ass person that's the age of sixty, or near enough to make no matter, is Ser Brynden Tully, the Blackfish(The Blackfish is five years younger than his brother Hoster, and Hoster was Born 235AL). The Blackfish is part of the reason Robb was so successful, in all of his battles. Not to even mention the Blackfish's escape of Riverrun, while they were under siege....
So obviously Jon Arryn's age during the Rebellion does not prove that he wasn't a worthy opponent for Rhaegar, just because he was an "old man".
Because you can only be a good battle Commander, if your young right? No.
And for all we know, Jon Arryn, despite being an older man, was not horrible at playing The Game of Thrones. Jon Arryn was Hand of the King for fourteen years, and he and Stannis were on to Cersei children being Jaime's, and it wasn't the "Game" that killed Jon Arryn, it was his wife, because Jon planned to have Robert Arryn fostered on Dragonstone with , and Lysa didn't want "her baby taken from her again", so she poisoned Jon Arryn with TheTears of Lys.
Then we have Hoster Tully, who apparently isn't a worthy adversary, because he can't control Walder Frey. Walder Frey has a lot more leverage than most Bannermen, when it comes to following the orders of their Liege Lord. Walder Frey controls the Crossing, and he has two Castles that defend the backs of each other. Then both of those Castles are surrounded by moats, and they have archer towers to shoot anybody that try's to attack. Not to mention that, Walder Frey has about a third of the amount of troops that Hoster Tully has, so it would be insane to attack Walder Frey, just because Walder Frey did not show up to fight at the Trident, until the Battle was over.
Another thing that I would like to point out, and that's the fact that Hoster Tully did attack three Houses sworn to Riverrun, when those three Houses decided to stay loyal to the Targaryen's(Houses Mooton, Goodbrook, and Darry). Now staying loyal to the Targaryen's, that's an actual reason to attack a Bannerman, unlike coming to a battle late, which is what Walder Frey did, hence the name "The late Lord Frey". However not only did Hoster Tully attack those three Houses, but he actually put entire villages to the Sword, that were sworn to House Goodbrook.
Now does this honestly sound like a man who doesn't keep his Bannermen in line, when it is possible?
So just because Rhaegar was beaten by Robert, Ned, Jon Arryn, and Hoster Tully, that does not mean Rhaegar wasn't a bad ass, or good at being a leader. It just means that Robert, Ned, Jon, and Hoster were also bad ass/good leaders, and Rhaegar was out numbered. Four out of the seven Great Houses were fighting with Robert(Stark, Baratheon, Arryn and Tully), and Rhaegar basically only had the help of two of the Great Houses, the Tyrell's of Highgarden, and some help from the Martell's of Dorne . The Lannisters didn't do anything until after the battle of the Trident, and then they were fighting on Roberts side.
So just because Rhaegar was beaten by Robert, Ned, Jon Arryn, and Hoster Tully, that does not mean that Rhaegar wasn't a "boss".