ManyFacedOne, on 24 March 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:
Another one I saw pointed out in another thread is their companion's sayings:
It is known.
You know nothing.
Notice too that when "It is known" is used, it's after some crazy sort of bullshit. It's even a running joke on here.
Harle The Handsome, on 25 March 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:
The cities of Essos are not cartoonishly evil as you call them, but different. As Tyrion mentioned the lives of a slave and Westerosi peasant are not all that different and it was surprisingly easy to fall in and accept the life of a slave. You see more nuance in events at the wall because they are more familar. Certainly to a Mereenese Tyrells, Martells and Baratheons are all weirdly named people with little to distinguish them as well.
I said cartoonishly evil and I meant it. And it's really not about how people in Essos would see the Westerosi, but how readers
see people on the two different continents. It makes sense that Westeros is far more fleshed out, because that's the main thrust of the overall story. But Essos' comparative lack of depth from the readers' perspective is, I think, kind of jarring and frankly it's annoying that in Essos, it seems like you're either on Dany's side or the side of a bunch of comic book villains. I choose neither.
To say that the Slaver's Bay plotline is full of almost rediculous violence is peculiar. There is a revolution going on and very few revolutions aren't exceptionally violent. The Brazen Beasts of Mereen remind me of the Iraqis who helped US troops during the transition, since both had to wear masks because they couldn't let their enemies know who they were.
I'm not even talking about violence associated with Dany's "revolution." The inherent violence in and of itself is ridiculous. Slavers castrating boys, making them strangle puppies, serving unborn puppies on sticks, running organized fighting pits, impaling people, forcing young priestesses to prostitute themselves, etc. It's like someone sat down and thought, "How can I make this place as morally repugnant as possible?" And as much as I enjoy Martin's writing, sometimes Essos feels like a cheat. If I wasn't betting on Dany's fall from grace at some point, I'd think the use of her against such obviously cruel/incompetent opponents there was far too heavy-handed and obvious. It's still heavy-handed and obvious, just probably for the opposite reason — he's pushing her hard as some emancipating savior only to have a rug-pulling moment in the works.