Lady Hodor, on 30 March 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:
Though I hate Sandor Clegane. He plans to rape Sansa and hits Arya over the head with an axe. What has he got against the Stark girls?
- Sorry, that was off topic, but I felt the need to express my rage
When does he plan on raping Sansa exactly? Somewhere inbetween Joffrey's beatings? The second might not be a very smooth method, but at the time he didn't really have a lot of choice in how to stop Arya from running into Frey territory and certain death. But you know, nvm that he saved Sansa's life twice and Arya's at least once, he should have done it in a prettier fashion, and maybe been prettier, too.
Awesome Oberyn Martell, on 30 March 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:
Regarding Jon, she doesn't have to mother him, she just has to be courteous, it isn't Jon's fault at all. She manages to say she always did her duty in other things (such as marrying Ned) and makes herself sound hard done by, she was clearly Hoster's favourite through childhood, humiliated Petyr and thought herself completely above him and went for Brandon who by all accounts sounds like a giant douche. For all the dutiful things she does she's horrible to Jon, loses the Karstarks and releases their best bargaining chip in the war. That turned out to be irrelevant as Robb had already cost them the Freys, but say the Freys hadn't killed them. The war was lost they could have returned Jaime for peace and left Sansa as a hostage (ala Greyjoys with Theon), but Catelyn ruined that.
She isn't as dutiful as she thinks, she's a horrible person.
She doesn't have to be courteous at all. From the ASOIAF wiki: A nobly born wife has the right to take insult at her husband's bastards being introduced into her household and being commensurate in rank with her legally born children.
Cat had every right to feel put upon and to make certain that Jon knew he was a bastard. That's not Jon's fault, of course. In fact, this whole debacle could have been avoided had Ned just hinted that Jon was Lyanna's, but he never did. If you want to blame anyone for Cat being surly with Jon, place the blame where it belongs: on Ned.
Are you also seriously arguing that she should have been nicer to Petyr and done what? Married him? Slept with him? Or what, exactly?
GiveMeSomeSnow, on 30 March 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:
As for the Jon thing, it was not his fault Ned chose to bring him home and raise him with his own legitimate children. If Catelyn had a problem with that she should have taken it up with her husband. You cannot blame the child for the sins of the parent.
She did. Ned told her to STFU. How can people forget this?
Edited by Lyanna Stark, 30 March 2012 - 08:26 AM.