[Book Spoilers] Littlefinger/Cersei
Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:21 PM
Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:22 PM
I wasn't bothered by the scene. I always enjoy watching Cersei flaunt her authority. And now there's established tension between Cersei and Littlefinger. It might not have been in line with the books but it fits the show. And as long as the show is consistent -- and good! -- I'm a happy fan.
Posted 05 April 2012 - 08:38 AM
i think overall this scene was to set up the theme of the season, the debate about whether knowledge is power or power is power. it's a theme that runs throughout the books as we see characters develop, change course and, at various points, have both physical and mental strength.
while i agree, it is was a bit uncharacteristic of LF (who, strangely enough, i actually enjoy in the books because i like seeing how his minds works and how his machinations play out. in the series, i love him if only because i'm a HUGE fan of 'the wire'), it showed that he's not merely a mustache-twirling villain, that there is something human under there whose buttons can be pushed.
after reading the rest of the series, i felt that this was totally in line with Cersei, especially after AFFC. she wields "her power" left and right, without realizing how fleeting it truly is.
Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:46 PM
Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:18 PM
Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:34 PM
Yes, he had a cold and the fever made him slip. He'll be fit for fight next episode and won't make such mistakes again.
Posted 05 April 2012 - 10:43 PM
Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:21 AM
And after thinking about it for a bit I don't think Littlefinger was to blame, Cersei was looking for a fight. LF was walking in the other direction when C caught up to him with a group of guards, she doesn't usually walk around with a group of guards following her. Yes she goaded him, but he was probably being a bit defensive faced with a group of guards and was trying to make it clear to her that he had just as much power as she did and that because her and Jamie were practically public knowledge now she had less power than she used to. She tried to show him otherwise. It works within the context of the characters IMO, and if there is a fault with the scene it lies with Cersei acting out of character, not LF.
Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:35 PM
Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:09 PM
Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:23 PM
Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:39 PM
That's also a good way of looking at it. At the end of her little display, she has to again ask him (with please) to find Arya Stark - so its obvious he is still quite important. Another thing few people realize that I tried to point out is that this was yet another way of showing how desperate and out of control Cersei is starting to get. Now that she knows how powerful Joffrey is getting, she's getting a little nutty in the head. This stuff is explained in great detail in the book, but for viewers, there's only dramatic scenes to convey the tension. This scene really did help put everything in perspective.
Posted 07 April 2012 - 07:23 AM
Posted 07 April 2012 - 07:43 AM
Joffrey scene seemed a bit off though, he's too insecure to threaten Cersei. If he can do that what is he going to do when Tyrion kicks the shit out of him/
I think Tyrion is under the protection of Tywin Lannister and everybody from Kingsguard to the small folk know who Tywin is and what he is capable of. So i don't think Tyrion is in any danger. I think the scene between Cersei and Joffery is best scene in the episode. I hate Cersei so much, even though they are clearly trying to make her more sympathetic. All i could think of during that scene was another scene when Cersei told Joffery to fuck painted whores or noble virgins. Thats what you Cersei for raising such a person.
Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:59 AM
Ahh but don't forget - what's another reason Joffrey has such a horribly low opinion of women? Not his Mother entirely but also his supposed "Father" the esteemed Robert Baratheon! Joffrey has spent his entire life watching Robert whore and drink himself to death as well as mistreating Cersei (not that she didn't deserve it). Don't pin all the parental blame on Cersei. Joffrey's a monster because of the shitty way his parents have both coddled and ignored him.
I love Joffrey's character and also the actor playing him... very powerful reminders of what can happen when a teenager comes to power with an entitlement attitude. This isn't really that far of a stretch from what happens to many modern day teens, sans the ability to behead people haha!
Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:16 AM
FIRST: Left the viewer/reader still wondering if Catelyn remains an open wound for LF, or if it's yet another tool in his arsenal of misdirection.
SECOND: Confirmed that Cercei's idea/understanding of "POWER" is superficial, rather too immediate, and she herself is not skilled enough at the game to secure a position of power beyond something best described as fleeting.
Two different methods of obtaining and harnessing power, shown as mirror images on HBO. Rather well done, in that regard.
If LF is in Renley's camp (not in the novels) and Catelyn is headed to Renley(true to novel), would D&D be so bold as to actually have LF escort Ned's bones as a reason for them both to meet up face to face? I mean, would they deviate that dramatically? Thoughts?
Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:23 PM
I think a more likely reason for Littlefinger to end up in Renly's camp is as the Lannister negotiator to try and make a truce with Renly (who is probably one of the biggest threats they face, due to his large army, not to mention, Stannis and Robb are obviously not going to make peace with them), whilst Catelyn is there to do the same for Robb. Of course, in the books Littlefinger doesn't go to Renly's war camp, but it might be that they want to set up some scenes with Littlefinger and the Tyrells, and/or saw a good oppurtunity of having another scene with him and Cat. There are clearly some changes to the timeline, but I would have thought LF will still largely play the same role as he did in the book.
Of course, it might be interesting to see the scenario you suggested, too. I guess we'll see in the next few episodes!
Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:01 PM
Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:31 PM